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Re: Theos-World put in it your own words first

Feb 17, 2002 11:43 PM
by leonmaurer

Apparently, the only use of history for students of theosophy, is to show us 
the mistakes of the past that we must not repeat.


In a message dated 02/18/02 5:30:42 AM, writes:

>Hi, Bill:
>You are right. History is one thing and *wisdom* a totally different thing.
>Also we need to distinguish between personalities and the principles and
>information presented as theosophy. In the final analysis, if the 
>principles and information presented as theosophy has helped us in our
>own daily lives -- has changed it for the better of ourselves and those we
>interact with, is most critical.
>Again, whatever ideas and information presented by anyone as theosophy,
>still is second hand and is a description of the reality that lies behind
>which can only be experienced personally and there is no substitute for
>personal experience.
>Re Krishnamurti, he laid out his views when he delivered his "Truth is a 
>Pathless Land". (May be it can be posted here, if anyone would like it be 
>posted.) He emphasised that no organization can lead any one to Truth and
>it is something that each one of us has to discover for ourselves. (Hard
>work! - nothing cooked and spoon fed!) History is past and he emphasized
>the urgent need to deal with what *is* at the present moment. So I do not
>think he dwelt on History.
>At 08:55 PM 2/17/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi MKR,
>>Yes, I agree with you. I think your point is particularly compelling
>>regarding theosophical history. It seems that theosophical history is
>>subject to continuous re-vision by various historians who "see" it from
>>different perspectives. I think my point was that the history of theosophy
>>as presented by *any* historian is not the *wisdom* of theosophy.
>>I wonder did J. Krishnamurti ever speak of 'history' and bias? I have read
>>some of what he said about organizations.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "MKR" <>
>>To: <>
>>Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World put in it your own words first
>> > Thanks for your well reasoned response. Like to share some thoughts
>> > on one of your comments quoted below.
>> >
>> > When we present theosophy or any other matter, in practice, however,
>> > there is going to be bias whether they are conscious or unconscious. Also
>> > when one is active in any organization or expects anything from any
>> > organization, or fear from the organization, then unbiased statement of
>> > ones views may become very very difficult. The organizations do give
>> > inducements to make those who belong to it - material or non material.
>> >
>> > When independent views are exhibited, when they are unacceptable to the
>> > organization or its leadership, no matter how truthful the views are,
>> > organizations tend to marginalize the individual.
>> >
>> > So it would be a good idea to get some background of the individual and
>> > his/her relationships with organizations and other individuals as these
>> > may give us some help in examining the individuals views as we can keep
>> > this fact in the background and discount appropriately.
>> >
>> > In maillists, it is not unusual to find some who take radical views hide
>> > under a pseudonym since they dare not to stand up in open and disclose
>> > who they are and where they come from.
>> >
>> > mkr
>> >
>> > At 03:36 PM 2/17/02 -0500, Bill Meredith wrote:
>> > >Now, one could argue, and it has been argued, that the personal biases
>> > >and background are unimportant in the presentation of theosophy. The
>> > >ancient wisdom speaks for itself and vibrates within us those chords of 
>> > >timeless truth carried on the shoulders of present faith.

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