Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00539)

Hi, Bill:

You are right. History is one thing and *wisdom* a totally different thing. 
Also we need to distinguish between personalities and the principles and 
information presented as theosophy. In the final analysis, if the 
principles and information presented as theosophy has helped us in our own 
daily lives -- has changed it for the better of ourselves and those we 
interact with, is most critical.

Again, whatever ideas and information presented by anyone as theosophy, 
still is second hand and is a description of the reality that lies behind 
which can only be experienced personally and there is no substitute for 
personal experience.

Re Krishnamurti, he laid out his views when he delivered his "Truth is a 
Pathless Land". (May be it can be posted here, if anyone would like it be 
posted.) He emphasised that no organization can lead any one to Truth and 
it is something that each one of us has to discover for ourselves. (Hard 
work! - nothing cooked and spoon fed!) History is past and he emphasized 
the urgent need to deal with what *is* at the present moment. So I do not 
think he dwelt on History.

mkr

At 08:55 PM 2/17/02 -0500, you wrote:
> Hi MKR,
> Yes, I agree with you. I think your point is particularly compelling
> regarding theosophical history. It seems that theosophical history is
> subject to continuous re-vision by various historians who "see" it from
> different perspectives. I think my point was that the history of theosophy
> as presented by *any* historian is not the *wisdom* of theosophy.
>
> I wonder did J. Krishnamurti ever speak of 'history' and bias? I have read
> some of what he said about organizations.
>
> regards,
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MKR" <ramadoss@gbronline.com>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World put in it your own words first
>
>
> > Thanks for your well reasoned response. Like to share some thoughts on one
> > of your comments quoted below.
> >
> > When we present theosophy or any other matter, in practice, however, there
> > is going to be bias whether they are conscious or unconscious. Also when
> > one is active in any organization or expects anything from any
> > organization, or fear from the organization, then unbiased statement of
> > ones views may become very very difficult. The organizations do give
> > inducements to make those who belong to it - material or non material .
> >
> > When independent views are exhibited, when they are unacceptable to the
> > organization or its leadership, no matter how truthful the views are,
> > organizations tend to marginalize the individual.
> >
> > So it would be a good idea to get some background of the individual and
> > his/her relationships with organizations and other individuals as these
> may
> > give us some help in examining the individuals views as we can keep the
> > this fact in the background and discount appropriately.
> >
> > In maillists, it is not unusual to find some who take radical views hide
> > under a pseudonym since they dare not to stand up in open and disclose who
> > they are and where they come from.
> >
> >
> > mkr
> >
> > At 03:36 PM 2/17/02 -0500, Bill Meredith wrote:
> > >Now, one could argue, and it has been argued, that the personal biases
> and
> > >background are unimportant in the presentation of theosophy. The ancient
> > >wisdom speaks for itself and vibrates within us those chords of timeless
> > >truth carried on the shoulders of present faith.
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> >
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