Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00424)

Hi Jerry and all of you,

Allright Jerry. 
And thanks, your email helped me in learning.

Jerry wrote:
"There is, certainly, a knowledge of gupta vidya. There is, I am equally certain, no proofs."

1. Answer : Can you prove the above Jerry ? - (That goes for both sentences.)

2. Some thoughts to ponder on :

What is Blavatsky defining as "Proof"? What thoughts are behind the word "proof"? A word can have more than one meaning. Maybe the dead-letter view needs to removed from such a debate, so we can talk about ,what all this is about. If one refuse to seek to use "the 7 keys" as mentioned by Blavatsky in the Secret Doctrine, then one will not get very far in understanding Blavatskys writings. That is a view.


Blavatsky wrote:

"The same may be said of the whole Esoteric system. One turn of the key, and no more, was given in "Isis." Much more is explained in these volumes. Inthose days the writer hardly knew the language in which the work was written, and the disclosure of many things, freely spoken about now, was forbidden. In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya; and that, like the once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the source of all religions and philosophies now known to the world has been for many ages forgotten and lost to men, but is at last found." 
(The Secret Doctrine, vol.1, p.xxxviii)

  
A view:

You can 'prove' a lot. But who is right ?
That is the key. 
The ignorant one is of course not right.

One of the keys issues of Gupta Vidya is the removal of ignorance. The individuals ignorance. And also removal of ignorance in general...

Proof of Gupta-Vidya is in a sense also proof of the existence of Wisdom.
The one experienceing, that wisdom exists has a proof on that. The one who don't hasn't such a proof. When everyone in a group of people experience wisdom, then that is proof for them. Right ?

True Theosophists followers of the Gupta-Vidya - agrees on that wisdom relly exists.
Merely being an intellectual is not the same as being wise.

That which is good is good. That which is bad is bad. Wisdom is good. Should we seek to achieve it if possible ? I think so.
I am not going to prove that.

 
from
Sufilight with a lot of proofs...and the Green Guide...




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From: "Gerald Schueler" <gschueler@earthlink.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re to Sufilight - Proofs


> <<<The knowledge and proof og Gupta-Vidya is a state of mind. The "final and irrefutable proof" HPB mentions is maybe for the individual and not forthe Planet as a whole. Do you understand that idea Jerry ?>>>
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> There is, certainly, a knowledge of gupta vidya. There is, I am equally certain, no proofs. HPB used the word "proof" a lot in her writings, but shewas talking/writing in a purely Laplacian world where everything can be proved to either exist or not exist, and all is black or white and where mathematics will solve all problems. That world no longer exists, as modern science has killed it. Today existence is described in all shades of grey, no real black or white anywhere. Laplacian views are dead. Proofs and facts are out, theories and probabilities are in, and we are all the better for it.Parabrahman is a theory, an assumption, a reification, and it can be experienced in degrees, but that is not "proof" (because some people experience little green men, and some experience pink elephants, etc so that experience per se is a pretty relative business), rather it is just another experience, albeit a nice one. The only one thing that we can "prove" is that we are always experiencing something - experience per se never ends. But WHAT weexperience changes with the wind.
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