Re: Theos-World Theosophy and Science Re: A complete short rational theory ... ???
Feb 11, 2002 09:41 PM
In a message dated 02/07/02 7:30:08 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
>>Leon: "From this infinite potentiality, or "diversity within a
>>unity," the whole universe involves and evolves to form the seven
>>fold "coadunate but not consubstantial" field nature of all beings --
>>in accordance with the fundamental laws of cycles and periodicity
>>that underlie the laws of electricity (from a scientific standpoint)
>>as well as the laws of karma (from a mystical or theosophical
>>standpoint)... These laws are analogously similar in governing the
>>cause and effect chains (action<-->reaction<-->action)"
>If modern science already since years talks about quantum physics,
>chaos theory, and its newer devellopments, where do we expect to find
>anything that comes scientifly near to proving that for example "the
>whole universe involves and evolves to form the seven fold" ?
>Even the 19th century scientific cause and effect theory (Laplacian
>theory ) that Blavatsky ascribed to doesn't withstand the scrutiny of
>21th century science the way it is tought today it seems.
21st century academic science -- other than, perhaps, the 11 dimensional (10
fields plus time?) zero-point energy theory of Superstrings/M-branes. that is
more or less consistent with Blavatsky's multidimensional "coadunate but not
consubstantial" fields or planes of consciousness (and which my ABC theory
describes in more or less scientifically logical terms) -- still does not
consider the universe's fundamental structure beyond the limits of
physically observed particulate matter.
All the reductive and materialistic theories of quantum physics that are
currently academically and technologically accepted (although still argued as
being incomplete and inconsistent with other equally respected scientific
theories) cannot, for instance, make the logically scientific connection
between relativity theories (which extends from the zero-point to infinity)
and the fundamental particle (as the limiting basis of quantum theories).
Even Einstein could never buy the more or less accepted presumption of
quantum theory that "nothing" existed in the "Planck distance" space (or
scientific vacuum) between the quantum particle and the zero-point or
"singularity" (explained as being of zero dimension and infinite mass-energy
in his relativity theories).
There is also reasonable evidence to believe that Einstein got his intuition
of E=mc^2, and the belief in the idea that matter and energy were
interchangeable or "one thing" -- directly from the Secret Doctrine -- since
the concept of relativity, and the equation, E=mc^2, came long before the
mathematics that attempted to prove it, and Einstein did own a well read copy
of the SD, as well as projected many theosophical ideas in his personal
Einstein also didn't believe that anything in the universe could happen
spontaneously, or be intelligently formed by pure chance, be "indeterminate,"
or without a logical cause. "God does not play dice," he said. But, at
certain dimensions near the Planck distance, the distinction between wave and
particle becomes arbitrary, and thereby, the observer of a measurement of one
aspect of matter can influence the measurement of the other -- i.e., if one
locates the position of the particle, one can't determine its energy, and if
one determines its energy, one can't locate its position.
This observation (limited to the physical plane) can only be understood as
still being "causal", rather than random "probability" or "indeterminate" --
if one accepts the possibility of multiple orders (or frequency spectrum
phases) of "coadunate" and "coenergetic" fields that transfer information in,
through, and between each individual field phase under the governance of
analogous laws of electricity and magnetism (considered as a single,
codependent force -- of varying, although analogous, vibratory frequency
spectrum phase in each field domain). Necessarily, then, since the
fundamental cyclic laws of electricity cannot change, such fields would
evolve (before the "breaking of symmetry") -- like the musical notes and
color spectrums -- in the form of descending "octaves." This is the
scientific basis of the seven fold planes, or "chakrafield" ideas of
theosophy, and its roots in ancient occultism -- as reflected in esoteric
Brahmanism, Buddhism, Kabbalism, Sufism, etc.
Incidentally, Einstein also knew that a series of interconnected unified
fields existed between the zero-point and infinite expansion of the
universe... Although, he could not come up with a logical mathematical proof
to explain it before he died. Today, the closest to such a "Grand Unified
theory of Everything" (GUTE) is Superstring/Membrane theory, which, in most
of its conclusions, not only consolidates relativity and quantum physics, but
also very closely parallels the multi-fold, unified field theory of theosophy
(along with its scientific description within ABC theory) –- as HPBpredicted
would happen before the beginning of this century. But, so far, there is no
objective proof that science can accept -- except partially, through the
"Casimir effect" -- which simply confirms that infinite zero-point energy
actually exists everywhere in the so called, "empty" space or vacuum.
The next step in quantum physics is the understanding of "quantum gravity"
that may account for the Casimir effect -- but they have a long way to go,
since quantum theorists have never been able to resolve or describe the
nature of the universe within the Planck distance (which covers more
multidimensional zero-point "space" than all the quantum particles put
together). The problem is; Being limited by their materialistic view, they
cannot imagine or mathematically predict what occurred or existed BEFORE the
first field of so called fundamental particles or photons appeared after the
"Big Bang." In addition, their limited thinking that everything can be
explained by physical processes, assuming matter as the fundamental condition
of the universe, leaves them very little to hang onto when trying to explain
subjective truths like conscious experience, self awareness, mental thought,
etc. And, even this "matter only" view is a mistaken notion that some few
contempoporary physicists have given up, since it has already been adequately
proven by experimental evidence, that the fundamental quantum energy-matter
packet is both a particle AND a wave... And, from that, in can be inferred
that the wave must have its root in the vibration of higher order fields that
are closer to the infinite frequency of spin in the zero-point.
So, to keep their materialistic theories intact, and limited to this
measurable, or metric physical "space-time continuum," most quantum
physicists completely ignore the true nature of the multidimensional and
coadunate fields within the "vacuum" of space between the particles...
Unfortunately, they also ignore the idea that internal sensory "image"
information passing through the biological systems, from the smallest one
cell organism to the largest planetary, solar, galactic and universal systems
-- (so as reach the higher consciousness fields of mind and memory on each
level) -- would most parsimoniously be transferred as modulated holographic
interference patterns of coenergetic wave forms (as ABC theory of
consciousness and perception proposes) rather than as "quantum gravity
effects." And, thus, the conventional quantum theories are all relatively
incomplete and insufficient to describe the true hidden nature of the
Universe -- along with the analogous nature ("as above, so below") of each
"being" involved and evolved in it.
On the other hand, superstring, membrane, chaos and simplicity-complexity
theories are approaching closer and closer to the ancient coadunate field
theories of theosophy (and ABC), and are beginning to admit that the universe
is composed of multidimensional fields that are based on the laws of
electricity (or electromagnetism) which is fundamentally vibrational or
cyclic, and, thus, can involve and evolve into multidimensional fields within
fields within fields -- like bubbles within bubble within bubbles, etc.
This concept of Supertring/M-brane theory is almost identical to the
multifold (triune, septenary, etc) chakra-field within field nature as
described in my ABC theory -- which is entirely consistent with the
"coadunate but not consubstantial" multi-fold, involutionary and evolutionary
field theory of consciousness and matter described in the Book of Dzyan, and
explained by HPB in the Secret Doctrine.
Therefore, from the scientific point of view, what comes before the "Big
Bang" (which itself, is also theoretical, and has never been satisfactorily
proven) is still an entire mystery to "established" modern science -- which
can only serve as the basis of the still materialistic "solid state" and
"coherent energy state" [laser] high technology we see all around us in our
communication and entertainment systems. But this isn't all there is. Thus,
anything they speculate about this "mystery of pre-particle origins," can
have no more or less scientific validity than the zero-point origin,
multidimensional (or multilevel or multiplane) coadunate field theory of
theosophy (or ABC) -- or the yet to be proven theories of
However, as least for the time being, these "theosophical" theories of
Cosmogenesis go much deeper into the fundamental origin and evolution of the
universe than conventional physixal science -- while still being consistent
with and not contradicting the observations or valid scientific conclusions
of modern physics (related to its own areas of inquiry)... Although, conven
tional science still cannot satisfactorily explain consciousness, mind,
memory, thought, emotions, perception, sleep rejuvenation, psi phenomena,
mental healing or placebo effect, blind sight, phantom limb effect, etc....
As theosophy, and its scientific interpretation (ABC) can easily do.
Therefore, it is obvious that, while material science is full of holes, there
are no apparent loose ends or gaps in either HPB's or ABC's explanation of
fundamental reality and its genesis. (If this makes those who accept such
teachings, "fundamentalists" -- well, then, so be it... As Popeye said, "I
yam wot I yam 'cause I yam wot I yam".:-)
Of course, the technological prowess of quantum theory is probably why most
people think that modern science knows everything about how the universe
really works. But, that is all materialistic and mechanistically based
thinking... And, thus, material "science" has nothing to do with or say about
what came before their so called quantum "particles," or how the universe
originated and expanded into the realities of both consciousness (as
subjectivity) and matter (as objectivity) -- that we commonly experience asa
fundamental duality on this physical plane of reality. (But which must, in
actuality, be a trinity composed of a duality within a UNITY.)
Although interdisciplinary scientists have been studying consciousness
seriously for the past ten years or so, and have tried to apply relativity
and quantum physics to explain it, they are still completely in the dark --
with many conflicting and inconclusive theories, and are as far from the
answers to: What is the source and nature of consciousness?; What is the
nature of the Self?; How to explain experience? etc. -- as they were in the
time of Blavatsky.
Also, please remember that all these scientific descriptions of the universe
and its mechanisms, including the description offered by theosophy (and also
by ABC) are still THEORIES or hypotheses, and are subject to falsification or
verification by either objective (or subjective) experimental evidence.
Therefore, none of these "theories" of classical, modern and postmodern
science can make any claim to be completely correct -- outside of the limited
field in which they appear to work. Thus, Newton's theory which was
superseded by Einstein's relativity and subsequent quantum theories, while
inconsistent with each other, still are useful in their respective, although
limited fields of application. The same can be said for theosophical field
theory as it applies to our inner natures -- which can only be "proven,"
subjectively, by each individual through their own "self devised and self
determined study and efforts."
So... It is yet to be proven that Blavatsky's metaphysical theory of
universal origin and its evolutionary mechanisms (as described in the Book of
Dzyan), as well as its scientific description in my ABC theory (which is
partially consistent with the latest, although still generally disapproved,
but, as yet, non-falsified theory of Superstring/M-branes) -- is wrong...
Nevertheless, these theories answer all the unanswered questions of modern
science. This puts them in a completely opposite category than the currently
"accepted" materialistic scientific theories, such as relativity and quantum
physics -- which still haven't come up with satisfactory and consistent
answers to the really important questions of universal origin, cosmogenesis,
unified fields, unified energy and matter, the cause and mechanisms of
consciousness and perception, the link between brain, mind, memory, etc., the
cause and mechanisms of psi phenomena, or other anomalies of nature that are
still total mysteries to established science... But, for which theosophy
holds all the logical and consistent answers... And, its all there for the
serious student to find -- hidden among the infinitude of words and
references in the Secret Doctrine written by HPB...
I hope this answers all your questions.
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