Theos-Talk Archives (January 2002 Message tt00215)

Hi Dallas and all of you,

I have also done my best, but answers to the below, I won't get it seems - at least not for some days to come. Else you will surprise me Dallas.

from
Sufilight



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World RE: On authority....


> Dear Friend:
> 
> I have answered as best I could your inquiries,. and have set
> this aside for some time to see if I can make it clearer.
> 
> Dal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten Sufilight [mailto:teosophy@mail1.stofanet.dk]
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:00 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: On authority....
> 
> HI Dallas and all of you,
> 
> Thank you for you interesting answer.
> My comments are in the Below - using ***.
> 
> from Sufilight
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
> To: "AA-B-Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 2:54 PM
> Subject: Theos-World RE: On authority....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Saturday, January 12, 2002
> 
> 
> Dear Friend:
> 
> THEOSOPHY is as I understand it a condensed report on the state
> of the Universe and of Man.
> 
> To a large extent it is HISTORY.
> 
> ***Yes. But the books of HPB and others on Theosophy are very
> old - and often not/ or more than one time not - the best
> material for new seekers of wisdom - to read anymore. Especially
> those reading by the dead-letter yet, (i.e. not using the 7
> keys). That is my view Dallas.***
> 
> 
> 
> It tells about the creation of UNIVERSES, and the evolution of
> MANKIND.
> 
> it explains that every beginning is in SPIRIT which is eternal
> and unmodifiable.
> 
> It speaks of UNIVERSAL MIND as the Universal Energy that puts all
> forms together according to their level of development As such
> it works closely with Karma
> 
> Universal law (named Karma) is the result of all choices made by
> independent thought.
> 
> The universal fact of manifestation and evolution is explained
> metaphysically as " THE DESIRE OF THE UNIVERSE TO KNOW ITSELF."
> 
> To achieve this it divides itself into two parts of equal
> strength and power but diametrically opposed. We thus have
> SPIRIT and MATTER. Mind is the intermediary at the balance point
> between these two and "sees both sides." If spirit is considered
> to be WISDOM, then, Matter is IGNORANCE.
> 
> In it reside Memory, Imagination, Thought, Will, vision, and
> illusion (or Maya)
> 
> It speaks of the indestructible components of Nature (the
> Universe) as Monads -
> 
> We are MONADS -- spiritual in essence, -- universal in
> otency, -- and limited as forms.
> 
> The manifested universe provides the field of experience (all the
> Monads of lesser experience provide the myriad kinds of forms
> needed) .
> 
> We (as Mind-Monads) provide the benevolence, the generosity, the
> wisdom of experience. We as Spiritual entities, provide the
> whole energy and wisdom of cohesion and of dispersion as well as
> of every movement in time and space.
> 
> The eternal background is the Parabrahmic ABSOLUTE -- the
> EVER-EXISTENT, and the INDESCRIBABLE.
> 
> The controversies that arise between students reside more on
> stubbornness and a continued attempt to support earlier made
> opinions than on a perception, jointly, of facts.
> 
> ***Yes. But what about - LATER - (even future ones) opinons on
> Theosophy ? Should we follow the idea of HPB's in Section 2 of
> The Key to Theosophy, answer to which systems of thought
> Theosophy supports she stated: "We cull the good we find in
> each."
> What do you all think ?***
> 
> Truth is eternal, unmodifiable and is independent of any dates.
> 
> Now let's turn to the other statements / questions you make. Let
> me ask you pardon in advance for some very strong and forthright
> statements. These are made as I understand, and have learned
> from Theosophy.
> 
> 
> The only "authorities" today are the same as ever before: the
> TEACHINGS and the PROPOSITIONS. They have been tested and proved
> over millennia (see S D I 272-3)
> 
> ***Yes Dallas, but in different forms, and languages using
> different words of communication, cultures, on different levels
> of conciousness, and creations.***
> 
> Every student or devotee is his own authority. No other "person
> (s)" can be safely taken as "authority," unless, following the
> lead given us by H P B and the Mahatmas, they provide us with the
> facts and reasoning we can verify.
> 
> WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
> 
> ***Exactly, I agree.***
> 
> We cannot buy Truth, or wisdom, or "magic" for a fee or from
> misplaced "devotion," and "loyalty. And from the very outset we
> can only devote ourselves to study and discern the true from the
> false, the everlasting, from the fleeting and misleading. When
> that is gasped we can apply, and help.
> 
> ***But some new seekers of wisdom will learn more if they are
> offered to pay. - But - I agree, it is even better to show an
> example.***
> 
> WE HAVE TO MAKE OURSELVES INTO OUR OWN AUTHORITIES. In this
> there is neither superior nor inferior, all are EQUALS. We are
> all spiritual Monads, and in our common spiritual base we are all
> equally wise and good. We have to make this a matter of
> application now.
> 
> ***Thanks Dallas.***
> 
> But we cannot expect to take and use others' "short-cuts." We
> have to make our own direct connection with the ever living
> WISDOM RELIGION -- THE SNATANA DHARMA that ever lives. We have
> to prove for ourselves the value and the virtue of all teachings
> an suggestions.
> 
> H P B said it clearly" "Do not follow me, or my Path. Follow
> the Path I show, -- the Masters who are behind."
> 
> She gave us much -- a revolution of the Mind processes and the
> Wisdom capacity of the whole of our humanity is already affected
> by the teachings of THEOSOPHY -- and as time progresses, there
> will more of this visible and effective. We have to study, so as
> to perceive this and make ourselves effective assistants.
> 
> ***Yes. But som of those who are living today - in reality -
> walks the PATH - of spiritual development etc. - by using a -
> litterally seen different system than that of HPB's.***
> 
> She and the Masters (who are not dead and gone) are our
> "leaders" -- Those, and the DIVINE HIGHER SELF within each of
> us, which is, we might say, always is ONE WITH THEIRS.
> 
> Either immortality and individual responsibility are facts or the
> whole theosophical effort is useless.
> 
> We have to decide on that -- as our own future lies in that
> decision -- right there.
> 
> ***Yes. But the Masters are not only into Theosophy - (when
> talking litterature from before 1950 or something like that), of
> one branch' own interpretation, there are 'other' PATHS (so to
> speak), which the Masters - are taking care of.***
> 
> ***
> As this is interesting, because of the physical Planets present
> situation - I would like to ask you if you have any comments on
> the Afghan author Idries Shah (d. 1996) ?? (You know HPB didn't
> do much on the Middle East and the Sufis - because as she states,
> that there was very few works transleted into european languages,
> at her time of writing. -- Look in SD for that.)
> 
> 
> feel free to do your best.
> 
> from Sufilight
> ***
> 
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M S
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:30 PM
> To:
> 
> Subject: On authority....
> 
> Hi Dallas and all of you,
> 
> The below is just my view. There is no bitterness, no angry voice
> in it.
> There is just a wish to help us all to find our - PATH.
> 
> An answer to an answer: A sweet try Dallas.
> 
> You wrote:
> "The THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY or any theosophical body does not
> represent THEOSOPHY"
> 
> I agree very much with you. That is an answer.
> 
> Theosophy as I understand it - should be adapted to the time - of
> human
> evolution. It has always been that through the ages.
> 
> So we have, that it is not the faults of any theosophist - for
> instance
> like Daniel, Dallas, P. Johnson etc. (if they have made any?)
> which are important (although
> faults are no good) - because they do not represent Theosophy.
> It is the teachings which are more important ? Right ?
> 
> So we should all learn to write emails or even books on issues,
> which are
> important - and not the opposite ?
> 
> This is year 2002. (I know that HPB was an important author
> historically
> seen - and I will agree on that. And the pagenumber 39 is
> invisible on
> the online Internet version ! So what Section/chapter did you
> refer to ?)
> 
> The question is to be more specific:
> How does authorities have it today, when we talk Theosophy - year
> 2002. Things has changed !
> Is that not so?
> 
> Leadership is not the same today, for the more average persons,
> as it was year 1888. The old times are gone - and the future is
> at hand.
> 
> Therefore Dallas let it be said about all of us, that we
> understood, HOW TO formulate the ancient teachings of wisdom
> (from year 1888) to people of the present time. Let it be said,
> that we understood how to FORMULATE true Theosophy to the
> interested public - year 2002. Therefore let us remember as HPB
> did, that quoting old books are not always the proper manner of
> communication.
> 
> We can only do our best. If we fail, we should be cared for and
> helped like a little child, which has fallen - and whose mother
> or father lifts it up again.
> 
> So there are no authorities here on theos-talk. It is just Maya
> to think so !!!
> 
> from
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> 
> S-------t
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