Theos-Talk Archives (January 2002 Message tt00213)

Dear Friend:

I have answered as best I could your inquiries,. and have set
this aside for some time to see if I can make it clearer.

Dal

-----Original Message-----
From: Morten Sufilight [mailto:teosophy@mail1.stofanet.dk]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:00 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: On authority....

HI Dallas and all of you,

Thank you for you interesting answer.
My comments are in the Below - using ***.

from Sufilight



----- Original Message -----
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-B-Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Theos-World RE: On authority....





Saturday, January 12, 2002


Dear Friend:

THEOSOPHY is as I understand it a condensed report on the state
of the Universe and of Man.

To a large extent it is HISTORY.

***Yes. But the books of HPB and others on Theosophy are very
old - and often not/ or more than one time not - the best
material for new seekers of wisdom - to read anymore. Especially
those reading by the dead-letter yet, (i.e. not using the 7
keys). That is my view Dallas.***



It tells about the creation of UNIVERSES, and the evolution of
MANKIND.

it explains that every beginning is in SPIRIT which is eternal
and unmodifiable.

It speaks of UNIVERSAL MIND as the Universal Energy that puts all
forms together according to their level of development As such
it works closely with Karma

Universal law (named Karma) is the result of all choices made by
independent thought.

The universal fact of manifestation and evolution is explained
metaphysically as " THE DESIRE OF THE UNIVERSE TO KNOW ITSELF."

To achieve this it divides itself into two parts of equal
strength and power but diametrically opposed. We thus have
SPIRIT and MATTER. Mind is the intermediary at the balance point
between these two and "sees both sides." If spirit is considered
to be WISDOM, then, Matter is IGNORANCE.

In it reside Memory, Imagination, Thought, Will, vision, and
illusion (or Maya)

It speaks of the indestructible components of Nature (the
Universe) as Monads -

We are MONADS -- spiritual in essence, -- universal in
otency, -- and limited as forms.

The manifested universe provides the field of experience (all the
Monads of lesser experience provide the myriad kinds of forms
needed) .

We (as Mind-Monads) provide the benevolence, the generosity, the
wisdom of experience. We as Spiritual entities, provide the
whole energy and wisdom of cohesion and of dispersion as well as
of every movement in time and space.

The eternal background is the Parabrahmic ABSOLUTE -- the
EVER-EXISTENT, and the INDESCRIBABLE.

The controversies that arise between students reside more on
stubbornness and a continued attempt to support earlier made
opinions than on a perception, jointly, of facts.

***Yes. But what about - LATER - (even future ones) opinons on
Theosophy ? Should we follow the idea of HPB's in Section 2 of
The Key to Theosophy, answer to which systems of thought
Theosophy supports she stated: "We cull the good we find in
each."
What do you all think ?***

Truth is eternal, unmodifiable and is independent of any dates.

Now let's turn to the other statements / questions you make. Let
me ask you pardon in advance for some very strong and forthright
statements. These are made as I understand, and have learned
from Theosophy.


The only "authorities" today are the same as ever before: the
TEACHINGS and the PROPOSITIONS. They have been tested and proved
over millennia (see S D I 272-3)

***Yes Dallas, but in different forms, and languages using
different words of communication, cultures, on different levels
of conciousness, and creations.***

Every student or devotee is his own authority. No other "person
(s)" can be safely taken as "authority," unless, following the
lead given us by H P B and the Mahatmas, they provide us with the
facts and reasoning we can verify.

WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK.

***Exactly, I agree.***

We cannot buy Truth, or wisdom, or "magic" for a fee or from
misplaced "devotion," and "loyalty. And from the very outset we
can only devote ourselves to study and discern the true from the
false, the everlasting, from the fleeting and misleading. When
that is gasped we can apply, and help.

***But some new seekers of wisdom will learn more if they are
offered to pay. - But - I agree, it is even better to show an
example.***

WE HAVE TO MAKE OURSELVES INTO OUR OWN AUTHORITIES. In this
there is neither superior nor inferior, all are EQUALS. We are
all spiritual Monads, and in our common spiritual base we are all
equally wise and good. We have to make this a matter of
application now.

***Thanks Dallas.***

But we cannot expect to take and use others' "short-cuts." We
have to make our own direct connection with the ever living
WISDOM RELIGION -- THE SNATANA DHARMA that ever lives. We have
to prove for ourselves the value and the virtue of all teachings
an suggestions.

H P B said it clearly" "Do not follow me, or my Path. Follow
the Path I show, -- the Masters who are behind."

She gave us much -- a revolution of the Mind processes and the
Wisdom capacity of the whole of our humanity is already affected
by the teachings of THEOSOPHY -- and as time progresses, there
will more of this visible and effective. We have to study, so as
to perceive this and make ourselves effective assistants.

***Yes. But som of those who are living today - in reality -
walks the PATH - of spiritual development etc. - by using a -
litterally seen different system than that of HPB's.***

She and the Masters (who are not dead and gone) are our
"leaders" -- Those, and the DIVINE HIGHER SELF within each of
us, which is, we might say, always is ONE WITH THEIRS.

Either immortality and individual responsibility are facts or the
whole theosophical effort is useless.

We have to decide on that -- as our own future lies in that
decision -- right there.

***Yes. But the Masters are not only into Theosophy - (when
talking litterature from before 1950 or something like that), of
one branch' own interpretation, there are 'other' PATHS (so to
speak), which the Masters - are taking care of.***

***
As this is interesting, because of the physical Planets present
situation - I would like to ask you if you have any comments on
the Afghan author Idries Shah (d. 1996) ?? (You know HPB didn't
do much on the Middle East and the Sufis - because as she states,
that there was very few works transleted into european languages,
at her time of writing. -- Look in SD for that.)


feel free to do your best.

from Sufilight
***



Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: M S
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:30 PM
To:

Subject: On authority....

Hi Dallas and all of you,

The below is just my view. There is no bitterness, no angry voice
in it.
There is just a wish to help us all to find our - PATH.

An answer to an answer: A sweet try Dallas.

You wrote:
"The THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY or any theosophical body does not
represent THEOSOPHY"

I agree very much with you. That is an answer.

Theosophy as I understand it - should be adapted to the time - of
human
evolution. It has always been that through the ages.

So we have, that it is not the faults of any theosophist - for
instance
like Daniel, Dallas, P. Johnson etc. (if they have made any?)
which are important (although
faults are no good) - because they do not represent Theosophy.
It is the teachings which are more important ? Right ?

So we should all learn to write emails or even books on issues,
which are
important - and not the opposite ?

This is year 2002. (I know that HPB was an important author
historically
seen - and I will agree on that. And the pagenumber 39 is
invisible on
the online Internet version ! So what Section/chapter did you
refer to ?)

The question is to be more specific:
How does authorities have it today, when we talk Theosophy - year
2002. Things has changed !
Is that not so?

Leadership is not the same today, for the more average persons,
as it was year 1888. The old times are gone - and the future is
at hand.

Therefore Dallas let it be said about all of us, that we
understood, HOW TO formulate the ancient teachings of wisdom
(from year 1888) to people of the present time. Let it be said,
that we understood how to FORMULATE true Theosophy to the
interested public - year 2002. Therefore let us remember as HPB
did, that quoting old books are not always the proper manner of
communication.

We can only do our best. If we fail, we should be cared for and
helped like a little child, which has fallen - and whose mother
or father lifts it up again.

So there are no authorities here on theos-talk. It is just Maya
to think so !!!

from


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