Theos-Talk Archives (January 2002 Message tt00209)

Hi Dallas and all of you,

Thank you for your answer.

I regret, that I not more often uses '...' and the like around different words in my emails. You see, a lot of them has more than one meaning. and in your below answer - you however in a very sweet manner interpret a lot of them - very litterally - and ín some few case also sort of materialistic. I will seek to do better. ( Have you ever familiarized your selves with thefollowing website: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org - and http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/transliteration.html - Here the value of dead-letter thinking is being put down - at least to a certain degree.) But to some - the valuable teachings of Raja-Yoga would be important to study - at first.


As long as we can agree on the one right below, then I think there is hope for you to understand my view.

Dallas wrote:

"Observation and deep thought would tend to show that
PARABRAHM never acts. it does contain the POTENTIALITY of every
action. It is the source of all being, of all law, of all
wisdom. It does not create anything, but periodically Universes
manifest, and eventually they die and their experience is rolled
back into the Unmanifest (Parabrahm). Later, under ITS immutable
LAW that we call KARMA, all components roll out again and a fresh
Universe (out of the old materials now placed in fresh
configurations according to their inherent Karma) are formed."

Answer from Sufilight:
***Yes, I agree on the most, a very important statement. Dallas. 
But does these special kind of 'universes' (so to speak) 'roll out again' ??
No, Dallas. The use of the word 'again' - in english - must be kind of wrong. Because the 'universes' are not the 'sameones'. And maybe even 'time' or'universes' (when we seek to transcend - the word 'being' or 'existence') are not a part of the perspective. My view, taken from my knowledge and inner experiences, is, that ParaBrahman certainly has more up the 'sleaves' than - the use of 'time' and 'universes' - and even 'maya'. (There is more toit than 'time' and 'universes' - you have my word for that - for what it is worth. I know, that some would say - but how can there be more ? But theywill learn.) I certainly hope - you would appreciate such a ParaBrahman. Well do'nt you do that ??
The law - in use here - the law of analogy, this law it is possible to transcend.
The law of analogy - of course has its limitations.***



"I would rather say that it is the parent and the GUARDIAN of the
LAWS and LAW. It is ever-present, but at no time does it ever
interfere with the free-will of any of its component parts. it
is there. but it refrains from acting. It encourages by its
presence, the independent choices of it component Monads, and, to
elevate their aim towards universal and impersonal SPIRITUAL
KNOWLEDGE and, thus, engage in the daily practice of benevolence
and brotherhood."


Answer from Sufilight: 
***Yes I agree on this - if I read it correctly.***


Dallas wrote:
"One must always remember that we think and speak from the point
of view of the SPIRITUAL Monad (which is our HIGHER MIND)."

Answer from Sufilight: 
***Well. I don't think 'always' is true Dallas. There are higher levels. The Monad as defined above the Atma - is as far as I remember HPB - the second Logos. And the first Logos and the ParaBrahman is beyond that Monad. (Butmaybe that is just my Alice A. Bailey input, which according to some are on the wrong track) - Maybe 'Notes on the Bhagavad Gita' by Subba T. Row hassomething to offer here too.***

Dallas wrote:
"But I would think it a grave mistake to believe that Parabrahm is
like a "Personal God," which is said by priests to do things
according to "His" arbitrary whim."

Answer from Sufilight: 
***I agree. And if some gets the idea, that I thought otherwise in my pervious statements - it is because they read my - words - too litteral. I guessthat you understood this Dallas, but was making a point, - that I could bemisunderstood. And thank you for that. (take for instance my use of the word 'beyond' in stead of >>BEYOND<< (i.e. transcended) as HPB problably would have done it.***

Dallas wrote:
"We think of Parabrahm as Truth, as Perfection, as Omnipotence
which never acts directly, but only through its independent and
free-willed components -- the Monads."

Answer from Sufilight: 
***Yes Dallas. A good point I think. 
But, as I see it, - like this: ParaBrahman 'can' with its 'transcended' 'will' make this entire universe disappear on all the 7 levels of development (and Maya - superficial reality) - and agreed without acting - in any senseof analogy - which even a Master or Dhyan Chohan could dream of ! (And please don't read this last sentence dead-letter litterally - try the 7 keys of HPB on this - all right ?). And this is a true paradoks - a true mystery to the ignorant readers !***


Dallas presented:
"A more real truth is, that There is only ParaBrahman - as HPB
states : "Omnipresent", "Unspeakable" "Unthinkable". So this
"reincarnating forever" buisness - you have going Dallas -
'forget' that for a while, - don't even think - "transcend
thinking"- (i.e. THINKING) then you will get enlightened and
understand. ParaBrahman is immense - please don't underestimate
ParaBrahman.

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DTB You are right Parabrahm ought not to be underestimated. But
the fact we can THINK about it and its nature, implies that a
portion of IT is resident within each one of us and forms the
basis for Universal Brotherhood. It also provides the basis for
our thinking in such a high spiritual manner -- it is another
proof of the inner HIGHER SELF in each one of us."***

Answer from Sufilight: 
***I would rethink - and remeditate that statement. Because - you do not understand what I am getting at in the above. - Well that is what I understand from your answer. I wouldn't fall so low as to THINK - on matters like ParaBrahman - if I could avoid it, -- or if it was necessary to do it - for altruistic reasons - I would, -- well while doing my best. I would trascend THINKing - and go beyond THINKing. (No words about 'fat' here please.)***

Answer from Sufilight: 
***The Voice of Silence part - I didn't get. Maybe if you could qoute (and even comment - if necessary) the passages - it could help.

>From the Bhagavad Gita of Sir Edwin Arnold - which HPB is said to love verymuch:

"The worlds, Arjuna!- even Brahma's world- 
Roll back again from Death to Life's unrest; 
But they, O Kunti's Son! that reach to Me, 
Taste birth no more. If ye know Brahma's Day 
Which is a thousand Yugas; if ye know 
The thousand Yugas making Brahma's Night, 
Then know ye Day and Night as He doth know! 
When that vast Dawn doth break, th' Invisible 
Is brought anew into the Visible; 
When that deep Night doth darken, all which is 
Fades back again to Him Who sent it forth; 
Yea! this vast company of living things- 
Again and yet again produced- expires 
At Brahma's Nightfall; and, at Brahma's Dawn, 
Riseth, without its will, to life new-born. 
But- higher, deeper, innermost- abides 
Another Life, not like the life of sense, 
Escaping sight, unchanging. This endures 
When all created things have passed away; 
This is that Life named the Unmanifest, 
The Infinite! the All! the Uttermost. 
Thither arriving none return. That Life 
Is Mine, and I am there! And, Prince! by faith 
Which wanders not, there is a way to come 
Thither. I, the PURUSHA, I Who spread 
The Universe around me- in Whom dwell 
All living Things- may so be reached and seen!"

Comment on the above: 
Now let us reach ParaBrahman - i.e. the esoteric PURUSHA (not the litteral one) - and make no rebrith again - ever !
As Bhagavad Gita (and a great number of other translations) in the above states : 
"The worlds, Arjuna!- even Brahma's world- 
Roll back again from Death to Life's unrest; 
But they, O Kunti's Son! that reach to Me, 
Taste birth no more."
And my experience states the same - and then I 'feel' quite comfortable. (Ithink it is from the level of the universal Monad - the 2. Logos, that the'worlds' 'roll out' (or 'down') and 'back').
What do you think Dallas ??***



feel free to do your best - all of you.

from
Sufilight




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