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Re: Theos-World RE: Did Blavatsky smoke hashish and drink alcohol?

Dec 19, 2001 09:01 AM
by Steve Stubbs


Dear "Dallas":

Get a life.

Cordially,

Steve

--- dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:
> December 18, 2001
> 
> Re: THEOSOPHY (as a philosophy) and Mme.
> Blavatsky as
> its "Messenger."
> 
> 
> Dear Steve:
> 
> I have read your response. I PROTEST it.
> 
> I believe you are mistaken. here are my reasons:
> 
> 1. Without any apparent understanding of the
> philosophy of
> THEOSOPHY (which in application, prohibits any of
> the excesses
> you write of as characteristics of Mme. Blavatsky's
> life) you
> seem to have chosen to repeat unfounded, malicious
> slanders and
> calumnies concerning the life and moral standing of
> H P B.
> 
> But, from what you write, you appear to know little
> of her life.
> Further, you do not appear to be very cognizant
> concerning the
> philosophy of Theosophy. On what basis, then, do
> you write? Why
> do you adhere to this list ?
> 
> 2. I ask myself what has she ever done to (or
> for you), to
> deserve that kind of treatment from you?
> 
> 3. If you cannot agree she is ALIVE (now and
> today) in
> SPIRIT, then would you not concede that her
> writings, and the
> existence of THEOSOPHY as a philosophy, has a
> continued life?
> 
> As I have studied her life and work I see that to be
> true to the
> standards of moral life implicit in the philosophy
> she taught,
> her personal life had to conform to the strictest of
> those
> standards.
> 
> All her closest companions and co-workers agree to
> that. Is
> their testimony and voice to be denied and not
> considered? What
> are the standards of fairness you apply ? Do you,
> when you quote
> the names of other, or earlier writers, give
> "chapter and verse
> ?" Do you give the reader any chance to verify the
> accuracy of
> what you write? Do you comment on disparities and
> on opposing
> views, as, for instance, I have ? What is your
> motive ?
> 
> 4. I have protested the lack of any REAL
> EVIDENCE -- and the
> DENIAL TO HER OF THE OPPORTUNITY OF RESPONSE -- to
> that which
> has been published to the detriment of her character
> after her
> physical death.
> 
> I have also quoted "chapter and verse" or, I have
> asked for them
> to be quoted.
> 
> Let all readers see everything and make up their own
> minds.
> 
> Let us also understand precisely why it is necessary
> to bring all
> this up now -- which has nothing to do with the
> philosophy of
> THEOSOPHY -- to the public forum. What is the
> motive behind
> this?
> 
> As I said, it is persons like me, who respect and
> admire her work
> and conduct, who now, in the present, have to do
> that for her.
> Anything less is a concession to those who would
> gain notoriety
> by vilifying her. And I repeat they are
> deliberately taking
> advantage of her absence (not being physically
> present) to do
> this. I call it cowardly.
> 
> 5. Since you do not respond, I conclude you
> have nothing
> further to offer. You do not support or
> substantiate your
> ill-favored and demeaning statements concerning her
> life. My
> should any one believe ?
> 
> 6. As far as I can discern, the attack made on
> her by you
> (and others) is slanderous (in my esteem), and
> deserves to be
> exposed for that reason. Any one, with a vestige
> of moral
> sensitivity would react in this way to hearing or
> reading
> statements that are wholly one-sided and unbalanced.
> They ask:
> Why is the "other side" concealed ?
> 
> 7. In my esteem, all writers ought to be most
> careful
> concerning the way in which the characterize the
> life and work of
> those who are dead.
> 
> If one believes after study that there is nobility
> and verity in
> the teachings and philosophical propositions of
> Theosophy, then
> why is it necessary to attempt to discredit them? 
> They are
> either defensible or not on their own merits.
> 
> Let THEOSOPHY offer the standard for all to study
> and discern
> independently as to its value. None of us were
> alive when she
> was. All we an offer is opinions upon others'
> conjectures. A
> very shakily foundation for opinions, I would say.
> 
> Slander and unverifiable allegations serve only to
> degrade those
> who perpetuate or repeat unfounded rumors.
> 
> In this case I would say: They are evidently taking
> advantage of
> the absence of the victim. This is basically unfair
> and unjust
> for any one to be so treated. It is to this
> standard that I
> appeal. I PROTEST your, or any one else, taking
> such an unfair
> advantage.
> 
> Dallas
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Stubbs [mailto:stevestubbs@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:32 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Did Blavatsky smoke hashish and drink
> alcohol?
> 
> Well, here we have another seminar in disingenuous
> argument.
> 
> For the nth time Dallas brings out his
> beloved "dead woman" argument, which says that
> nobody
> can study the life of someone who is dead. The
> standard is of course applied very selectively. He
> does not apply it to himself, or to Sylvia Cranston,
> or to others. He only applies it to those to whom
> he
> wishes to apply it.
> 
> But in the same post he says that
> the dead woman in question is not dead but alive.
> (!)
> If she is alive and not dead, then it would appear
> we
> are not constrained by the "dead woman" argument
> from
> studying her life. Or does he want to have it both
> ways?
> 
> Then there is a lot of irrelevant stuff about
> reincarnation, and comments on badly written novels
> mentioning Jesus. This is the irrelevance technique
> we discussed earlier. Use as much irrelevant
> material
> as possible to confuse the issue.
> 
> CUT
> 
> 
=== message truncated ===


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