Re: Hartman's, The Master’s Revealed.
Nov 17, 2001 08:49 AM
by Blavatsky Archives
Brigitte writes [see her complete posting at the end of this email]
" Already during Blavatsky's lifetime Hartman revealed part of the
true nature of the 'Theosophical Masters' [in Hartmann's novel THE
TALKING IMAGE OF URUR]."
Notice that this is Brigitte's assessment that Hartmann is revealing
the TRUE NATURE of HPB's Masters.
But even IF WE ACCEPT this assumption by Brigitte, there are several
more questions to ask if we are actually thinking thru the issues and
not just blindly accepting the assumptions made by Brigitte.
(1) What is Hartmann's exact source of knowledge concerning the TRUE
nature of the Masters?
(2) What does Hartmann know from his own experience that would give
him some special insight into these matters?
(3) Or is Hartmann's just giving his opinion, his interpretation
which may or may not be correct?
In other words, Brigitte is making alot of assumptions and piling
them one upon the other. The inquiring reader will stop and ask alot
of relevant questions about all of these assumptions.
Now what does Hartmann write about the Theosophical Masters and HPB
AFTER he wrote his novel? That is a question that needs to be
See what Hartmann wrote in his serial articles titled "Memorable
Recollections from the life of the author of the 'Lotusblüten.'"
This series of articles was writter AFTER HPB died and AFTER Hartmann
published his novel which Brigitte wants to give such importance to.
In part II of this article as published at BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES,
"Now one can who is not a completely perfect human being, e.g., the
pupil of a Master, be sent into the world with a similar purpose: to
embody themselves with their master and be embodied as an inhabitant
of the spirit world as with this one and enter into a connection and
be directed by him. This was in fact the case with H. P. Blavatsky.
As a child she already had astonished her acquaintances with her
mystical abilities and from her earliest youth on she had been
supervised and instructed by the adept. She had an active life moving
about and was coming and going on journeys to countries which
Europeans rarely set foot on. She had come in touch with various
mystics and adepts in Egypt, Asia and South America, had personally
learned to know her own chief and teacher, had worked through
orthodoxy and spiritualism and ultimately became ripe to proclaim to
the world the great knowledge of religion, which is so clearly
presented in her 'Secret Doctrine' and her other writings. In this
way she came to be an apostle of enlightenment, as there has been
before her only few and there will be after her no doubt only few, an
incomprehensible riddle for the scholars of this world who know
nothing of divine existence and who was first pronounced by them as
the 'sphinx of the nineteenth century' and then declared a 'fraud.' "
Maybe here Hartman is revealing the TRUE nature of the adepts?
Furthermore, what does Hartmann write in his 1908 article in THE
OCCULT REVIEW that might be relevant to the subject under
discussion? We could cite other Hartmann articles that were written
in the 1890s and early 1900s.
Brigitte says nothing about any of this.
In summary, Brigitte wants to ignore what Hartmann wrote in his
various [non-fiction] accounts about HPB and the Masters. Instead
she wants to focus attention on what Hartmann wrote in a novel. She
is the one to assume that Hartmann tells the real truth about the
adepts in this work of fiction. I guess she also assumes that what
Hartmann wrote in his non-fictional accounts about HPB and the
Masters are fictional!!
> Below the essential message from : Hartmann's The Talking Image of
> Already during Blavatsky's lifetime Hartman revealed part of the
> true nature of the "Theosophical Masters".
> In the parts of "Talking Image of Urur"(1889) that where
> by Blavatsky in Lucifer, it describes a "Mysterious Brotherhood's"
> best known members as "Rataborumatchi and Krashibashi", plus
> the "talking image"(apparently HPB) that, "reflects like a mirror
> prejudices of the inquirerrs and merely confirms their
> Hartmann proceeds that: "No man can teach another the truth if the
> truth does not manifest itself in and through him." But, "what
> the about the Mysterious Brotherhood?" asked Pancho (apparently
> Hartmann himself): "He received no answer.-before his eyes a great
> transformation took place--there was notting of a material
> left." (more excerpts will follow soon)
> In March 1889 Blavatsky wrote an article for Lucifer entitled "On
> Pseudo-Theosophy" in wich she responded to a "Daily News" story
> Hartmann's story. The newspaper reported that some Theosophists
> distressed by its publication, and suggested that "the misgivings
> that have been awakened will not easily be laid to rest."
> Blavatsky replies that it is precicely in order to awaken
> in those who should recognize themselves in Hartman's tale that
> publishing it. But although some where offended , Blavatsky
> asked "if Mme. Blavatsky-presumebly the 'Talking Image'- does not
> object to finding herself repressented as a kind of mediumistic
> parrot, why should other 'theosohists' object?"(H.P.Blavatsky,
> Collected Writings, vol.11,p.46.)
> There is however a consistency with the above, and what Hartmann
> wrote about his experiences in Adyar during the time of Blavatsky
> lived there (Hartmann accompanied Blavatsky to Europe
> afterwards): " " (1897)
> The letters Daniel Caldwell quotes about Hartmann are ALL from a
> earlier date then the above two quotes. Obviously Hartmann had the
> opportunity to make certain observations during and afther the
> that he was living in Adyar,(as already mentioned he travelled
> Blavatsky to Europe afther she left Adyar) , that made him take on
> the above position. Even when Reitemeyer/Caldwell might want to
> Hartmann wrote the "Talking Image of Urur" as a satire (whereas
> would argue a satire is a good opprtunity to tell the truth ),
> certainly the last quote above is not from a satire but from a
> published "report" by Hartmann, and both the satire and the quote
> from the factual report indeed match. and are real, wichever way
> Reitemeyer/Caldwell will try to sweep it under the carpet . (But
> Frank dissapears each time when I ask him about his fake protocols)
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