Theos-Talk Archives (November 2001 Message tt00235)

Thursday, November 15, 2001

Dear Joe:

I think H P B said quoting someone else (?) "We are ceaselessly
self-deceived."

That is a warning and a wake-up statement addressed to the Lower
Mind which is usually proud of its little knowledge. But the
HIGHER MIND ( Buddhi-Manas) the eternal Self Ego, is always
separate from the mind-sets that the Lower mind adopts from time
to time.

WE, the REAL WE are always in control and independent of the
Lower kind, which is constantly influenced by our passions and
desires. Those are A SEPARATE PRINCIPLE. they are quite
different from the MANAS -- MIND. Those come and go and are to
be recognized as impractical whenever we give adequate time to
impartially follow them out to their absurd conclusions. This
ability to be detached, is one more proof of the INNER SPIRITUAL
SELF. Its powers are far superior to those of the embodied
bran-mind.

It also implies that there is wisdom and that it can be used --
as well as assist in developing humility.

The TRUTH is a universal statement of facts that anyone can
access and demonstrate to themselves as being veracious. But no
one can say " I know it all."

In studying Theosophy and ifs fundamentals don't we all grow wise
together ?

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe F----n
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:14 PM
To:
Subject: RE: The cause of the whole manvantara --MAYA -- H P B

This reminds me of the advice that Blavatsky gave to her
students.


Paraphrasing, it was "you must start off by knowing that you have
been
completely deceived."

The problem with this whole thing (existence) is that
we can't throw off the cultural veils that keep us from seeing
things "as
they are".


DTB	It has been my observation that "cultural veil" can be
recognized and then dealt with


One of the big problems with karma is that it is generated as
soon as the mind "defines" what the senses feed it. It is in
that moment of acquisition "mind" that reality is interpreted
through the filters of our
tendencies, thoughts and desires.



DTB	If we are able to see a difference, then to that extent we
are impartial and detached from any "influence." Otherwise there
would never be any change, and no "improvement" in perception.
We would not be able to "learn" anything.



I also think that one of the biggest problems that students have
in working with the abtruse occult concepts is to fully realize
how much of how we view "reality" is simply cultural, and not
true from any other perspectives. And with a view of reality
that is beyond the simply cultural, one may get a better
understanding of who and what we really are.


DTB	If we are IMMORTALS and each life is a "day at School" then
the Spiritual Eternal SELF is always removed from the overlays of
the new environment. When we went to school, in fact, each day
of our lives we encounter changes in attitude and information.
We that which is stable and which experiences in this environment
is the capable of setting that present influences of this moment
aside, and, insisting on itself remaining impartial, universal
and receptive to "common sense" it proceeds to review and revise
its memories and conclusions -- for future use.


BEST WISHES,

DAL

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So much for my late nite rant. Thanks for "listening."

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: dalval14@earthlink.net [mailto:dalval14@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:51 PM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] RE: The cause of the whole
manvantara --MAYA -- H P
B


Tuesday, November 13, 2001

Dear Friends:

As I see it: How can we talk of Maya (even if the Buddha did)
unless there is a contrast -- non-Maya.

You can not see LIGHT unless there is DARKNESS. Both are non
perceptible unless there is some obstruction which serves as a
mirror, a screen or a reflector. But before we even use this
metaphor. Where is LIGHT ON THE PATH generated? Why is it
generated? What is its superiority if anything over DARKNESS ?
Can we secure answers to these questions of cause and necessity?
Then the usefulness of the example becomes clearer.

We seem to have field of limitations in which Light and darkness,
and, screen or obstruction appear to be essential to describing
this recondite concept of "MAYA, and NON-MAYA.

No one is a Maya to themselves. But others may be called "maya"
because we, as stable points, of observation observe their
changes. No doubt they reciprocate.

If we combine the two reports (or more) we have TESTIMONY.

This in turn, generates "faith, and "belief."

Proof, however, is always interior to ourselves.

Our opinions and conclusions can be shared and exposed to the
scrutiny of others -- perhaps in the hope of constructive
criticism are of some valuable modification we may have
overlooked.

Those are opinions until such time as they become stable concepts
somewhere, and we assume that stability is an attribute not of
Spirit, but of the indescribable SOURCE of both Spirit and
Matter: the ABSOLUTE. And for IT we assume universality in
Space, and non-differentiation in matter, and eternity as to
duration. We also assume that it is simultaneously motion and
immobility.

Undoubtedly there are many different words for those concepts,
but any concept that is to be considered, as I see it, is not to
rely on dead-letter interpretations. But, rather to secure the
meaning BEHIND THOSE WORDS USED. Thus we change from the "Eye
doctrine" to the "Heart Doctrine." ( And rarely the "Eye
Doctrine" has the flexibility to admit that the "Heart Doctrine"
is superior.

In recent postings I have seen several writers refer to H P B's
writings as erroneous. concerning her life and work I see again
the accusations of fraud, and duplicity, and inaccuracy. I find
it strange that none of these actually advance any evidence of
their broad accusations. It would seem they are quite unfamiliar
with Sylvia Cranston's definitive biography of H P B -- in which
documents have been made available that settle all such
accusations. It is regrettable that these unsupported statements
reappear. One wonders what impels such repetition and especially
in the face of the facts that have demonstrated the contrary.

Best wishes,

Dallas

P S I add a question below:

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-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Merriott
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:23 PM
To:
Subject: The cause of the whole manvantara

> JERRY: The notion that there is "an immortal and enduring SELF
in
> each being" is the core of maya, the central ignorance that
keeps
> this whole manvantara going.


Jerry,

I don't believe that is quite accurate. Surely it is the notion
that there
is a *SEPARATE* self that is the core of our own particular human
Maya and
suffering.

The idea that our ignorance is the one thing that keeps "the
whole
manvantara" going seems somewhat exoteric and superficial, if not
simply
grandiose. Will the entire Manvantara and all the future
Manvantaras, the
periodical and regular manifestations of the One Self Existing
Reality (i.e.
Parabrahm) all come to an end when we truly realise we are not
separate from
one another?

=================================

DTB Who are WE ? Monad -- ATMA-BUDHI-MANAS ? IMMORTALS ?

Do WE set up a sphere of individualized MAYA around us?
How?

Are we the creators of this Universe, or do we share in
it ?
How?

Why and How do others seem to play valid parts in OUR
UNIVERSE
if it is the PERSONAL MAYA we have created?

Finally WHAT ARE WE IGNORANT OF ? And why are we called
ignorant if the "Ray of the ONE SPIRIT" happens to be an interior
resident.

What causes us not to see the Wisdom of the SPIRIT?

Can any one claim to know more about us that we do? If
so, how
can that be proved?

==================================

Maybe the KOSMOS with its cycles of rest and activity, the
periodical
playground of numberless Universes, is much, much grander and far
more
meaningful than the pitiful stage of selfishness and separateness
that our
current humanity is going through.

...Peter


CUT



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