Theos-Talk Archives (November 2001 Message tt00228)

Vincent, your jesuit seem himself an unconscious producer of "the strangest wares," every time he tries to proove a point, his words, seemingly with a will of their own, produce the strangest results.

"There are certain vast problems that have tormented mankind ever since it began to reflect. Such are the existence and nature of God [i.e "a theological crutch, that for countless ages was the direct cause of nearly all human misery", ML10.] .... the relation of the "one" to the "many" [i.e.he gives the double solution to the problem of "God"]: the extent to which man canterm himself free, or again, immortal .... Human curiosity has ... loved to speculate upon such matters [i.e spiritual matters]; and ... human vanityhas recurrently wished to flatter itself and impress others by alleging that it possesses all such knowledge, or at least more of it than other people do [the latter would certainly be the case if such "speculations" bore any fruit whatsoever.]. 
It is into this category of "knowers" that Theosophy enters."
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"....theosophists are quite right in subordinating the special phenomena that they claim 
to experience, to the substance of their doctrine" [This is simply wonderful.. I will keep this quote forever]

On God [- the existence of which have tormented mankind ever since it beganto reflect.]
"H. P. B. is right in claiming for God that He is infinite and unqualified:wrong, when she suggests that (i) we cannot know anything about Him by ourreason; and (ii) that He is the universe 
or evolves into it. "
Hmmm. philosophy was obviously not part of the curriculum of the jesuiticalcolleges "in the early part of the century". Fr. Martindale conceives of an entity infinite, but not the infinite universe, unqualified, but attributed with action, etc. 
(i) abstract infinity can certainly not be conceived of by the finite mind.
(ii) such a "God" must certainly be either the aggregate universe, i.e the abstract all, the most impersonal of all notions - or an all-diffused, or omnipresent, something, latent, a potentiality.
Or again both: objectively the aggregate universe, subjectively the inmost divine spark, that is "infinity" viewed from two sides, infinitely extendedand omnipresence.
 
"[the theosophist] had better define God as O=X, and let the matter drop." After boring us with christian clichees, suddenly Fr. Martindale is back to being brilliant again. Define "God" as zero, which is an unknown quantity [by itself] - and knowable and finite when "manifested" [with a number]. This is would mean that "God" the "infinite and attributles" is a nihil inthe realm of the infinite, but a something in manifestation, i.e a divine something in the inmost human nature. "Let the matter drop", - dare I add that the terms "drop" and "zero" is both "in the books of Khiu-ti" two possible renderings of the term "bindu." 

I wonder what was the source of all these unconsciously produced, occult axioms. Certainly not his jesuit college. Some spiritual force, perhaps, betraying its presence. Jesuits are also quite right in subordinating the peculiar phenomena that they demonstrate, to the substance of their doctrine.
And the siddhi demonstrated must have a substratum of truth to manifest at all. The difference lies in ethics pure and simple, that is, between left and right. 

Strange that the notion of the "one" and its relation to the "many" appears. The substance of "our" doctrine starts with the One omnipresent principle moves to the aggregate whole (the universe in toto) and then to its related parts, the individual jivas". 

Kim Poulsen

"Now let not your mind be outgoing; turn it inward; control it just a little and watch for the Self, always remembering that the investigator is himself the essence of being and the Self of Self."
Tripura Rahasya

----- Original Message ----- 
From: J. Vincent Beall <vincebeall@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:44 PM
Subject: Theos-World Jesuit Criticism?


> Hello, I can see that the list is very busy, but I really would like 
> someone to make a reply to an article written by a Jesuit by the name 
> of Martindale who is now deceased. Some of his article is really 
> quite interesting and he does actually consider theosophical ideas in 
> presenting his Catholic response.
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> http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/THEOSOP2.TXT
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> There are other presentations on the http://www.ewtn.com website that 
> would be of interest to theosophists, particularly other responses to 
> the New Age.
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> Thanks,
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> Vincent
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