Theos-Talk Archives (November 2001 Message tt00054)

Saturday, November 03, 2001

Dear Friend:

Re: OEAOHOO -- BANG ?

Yes to both. (1. OUCH, and 2. Analogy to first 7 Stanzas S D
I )

But there is a difference between a speculative BIG BANG (on the
physical plane) and the gradual manifestation into what we call
dense physical molecular matter from the respective ATOMIC
substance (perhaps it is the "ASTRAL matter") that serves as the
focal point for the physical to manifest.

WHAT CAUSES the BIG BANG ?

Theosophy does not teach a BIG CAUSELESS BANG, as far as I have
been able to trace. Everything is under the sway of Universal
KARMA, and Karma demands a CAUSE precede an EFFECT. I think the
S D Vol I supplies that pretty well. But it does so on the
basis of the metaphysical development from SPIRIT down to
manifested and organized matter (a reflection at our level of the
laws that guide and animate all evolutionary progress.

FIRE -- HEAT - ENERGY ?

As to the effect of FIRE, heat. As far as I can see the idea of
a "fire" used in the universal sense denotes the energy level (s)
prevalent under Karma at various times in the formation of
worlds, solar systems and galaxies.

PHYSICAL MATERIAL LEVELS OF HEAT -- How to explain ?

In our physical terms we might call them energy gradients and
associate them with our sense response to heat at various
levels.

We can get close to ABSOLUTE ZERO -- and use that as a concept
regarding the material of our present cognizance (when we presume
that all molecular and atomic motion is STOPPED.

Then we can speculate on HEAT in millions of degrees -- as in the
Sun ( in S D I p. 484fn.
H P B details the various speculations current at her time among
scientists on the heat of our SUN, I am not entirely sure today
exactly what is the present accepted speculation on this is. ).

In S D I 142 and elsewhere H P B refers to a kind of layer that
surrounds our Earth and perhpas also the solar system, whereby
the astronomical phenomena we witness is said by Occultism to be
altered INTO TERMS AND CONDITIONS WE CAN UNDERSTAND -- a kind of
alchemical crucible. I find this very interesting and have
looked for corroboration. Have you found anything on this ?

Best wishes,

Dallas


PS

That's why it is called the "Big Bang THEORY." It is a
SPECULATION still.

The heat gradients we are familiar with as phenomena on Earth
run, as I recall (a rough estimate)

MELTING	FREEZING
----------------------------------------	------------------------
-------------

0 degrees	ABSOLUTE ZERO -- all atomic motion is stopped

32 "	Freezing point of water

"	Melting point of Mercury

212 "	Boiling point of water

"	Melting point of Sulphur

"	Melting point of Sodium

"	Melting point of Potassium

'	Melting point of Iron

"	Melting point of Titanium


Moon (ours)	FRIGID out of the sun's influence -- dust -- no
atmosphere

Mars planet	No water = thin atmosphere - storms - dust

Venus "	HOT == 800 + degrees -- no water condensate --
atmosphere

Jupiter "	? atmosphere ?

Saturn "	? atmosphere ?




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-----Original Message-----
From: B--t L-----y
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:02 PM
To:
Subject: Re: SD Stanza III Sloka 5. == S D I 68-9 == OEAOHOO

dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Re OEAOHOO ( Not "OUCH)
>
> Very interesting. But I think you may have something there.
>
> Do you have reasons for that analogy? Action?

It is intended to be a two-level pun. The first level, as
you noted, is
that it is something that would very likely be uttered by someone
putting their hand into a fire. But, also, note that the first 7
Stanzas of Dzyan appear to be an analogue for the Big Bang...

Bart Lidofsky