Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00383)

Woo Hoo - can of worms alert..........

Founding Fathers - Freemasonry - Novus Ordo Seclorum - you're opening a
big kettle of conspiracy fish here. 

Democracy is not the highest ideal - Far from it. Democracy is a tool by
which those in power help divide. Division means that opponents cannot
unify against them. 

Social Libertarianism is the highest ideal - Anarchy.

The US forefathers were indeed Freemasons - Look I think for a complete
Background see Sir Laurence Gardners 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' - it
is a fairly soncise history of the war between the two major secret
societies and it's effect on european politics and the formation of the
United States. It discusses the history of the Knights Templar - through
to French Masonry and the Revoluton to Scotland the Scottish Rite Masons
and Finally to the USA where the we find ourselves today amidst the
battles of these groups who use as pawns nations, companies, world
leaders, banks, armies to play what really in the end is a sicj little
game.

Also:
R.A Wilson - Illuminatus Trilogy, Schrodingers Cat etc
Behold a pale Horse (author?)



|-----Original Message-----
|From: DANIEL J HOUGAS [mailto:younggung36@msn.com] 
|Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2001 10:06 AM
|To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
|Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Re: Re: Re: this war & it's cause
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|Dear Eldon,
| Isn't it true that a lot of the founding 
|fathers of our nation were mostly freemasons and had a occult 
|backround, they believed democracy was the highest of ideals 
|for mankind. They believed we should be an example for the 
|world, Reagans shining city on the hill. We should start 
|being the example, and stop going into the parts of the world 
|we don't belong. To be an example is to show people, not 
|shove it down their throats. If they are going to become free 
|and democratic they need to come to that decision themselves, 
|not kicking and screaming. What do you think HPB would of thought? 
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|----- Original Message -----
|From: Eldon B Tucker
|Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:23 PM
|To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
|Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Re: Re: Re: this war & it's cause
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|At 07:56 PM 10/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
|>Katinka Hesselink wrote:
|> > Well, I suppose because they share a religion. The 
|mahatmas (Or HPB) 
|> > said that religion is the cause of a great percentage 
|(forget which) 
|> > of the wars in this world. Seems to me they are right. But other 
|> > causes help to contribute.
|>
|> And that is my point. They hate anybody who is not a 
|member of 
|>their religion, and they hate those (like the United States 
|and Israel) 
|>that preach brotherhood between the religions. Period. All else is 
|>window dressing.
|>
|> Bart Lidofsky
|
|This is the point where we can turn the discussion back
|in a direction that is most relevant to us as Theosophists.
|
|When do people hate others that are different? Where does
|this intolerance and fanaticism come from? It's fundamentalism 
|mixed with a religious zeal to convert the world to one's true belief.
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|We need to understand the psychology of how this works.
|Then we can identify it starting to happen in ourselves
|and others, and take steps to thwart it before it becomes overpowering.
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|One way it happens is when our anger grows into hardened 
|positions leading to our condemning others. We go from a 
|peaceful exchange into a fighting mode, as we demonize others, 
|unjustly picturing them as acting from sinister motives, if 
|not agents of some dark power. It's ridiculous! These may be 
|people that were perfectly fine just minutes, hours, or days before.
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|(This is not to lose the distinction between otherwise nice 
|people that we somehow cannot accept anymore and the few truly 
|monstrous ones, that may be actually out to hurt us and others.)
|
|We can also see this happening in our organizations, as
|the leadership or the collective opinion starts seeing
|itself separate, special, better than others, and
|having a special role to combat the evil darkness to be
|found elsewhere.
|
|Problems start with the idea that "our group is the only
|true one." They get worse when "the rest of the world must
|be saved." The final step into fanatical fundamentalism
|is with "the ends justify the means, it's ok to do terrible 
|things in the name of the greater good we'd accomplish."
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|Let's try to understand fundamentalism and how it applies
|to our theosophical groups, and may bias them and us.
|We want to identify it when it happens, so that we can
|work to eliminate it. It's one of many impediments holding
|us back from our spiritual progress and from our ability
|to do good in the world.
|
|-- Eldon
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