Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00296)

<<<<<<<But this type of relativity comes also to call on you regarding an
individualised belief about "The Masters". Exemplified by the idea of "If
I see a tree, and you see a tree, and 100 other people see a
tree, does that "prove" that a tree exists?", and the history of all
these white brotherhood (I think at least a 100 or more) groups that
all believe in Masters, ascended or not. Or others that believe in
spirit guides,guides, their own Higher self,various beings of light,
deceased humans, angels and archangels a personilised God (of their
own choosing), and you name it. Since we live in an alive universe of
course it will give us answers if we ask, why not.>>>>>>

Exactly. I believe in inner Masters because I have experienced them. My jury
is still out on physical Masters until I encounter one. But how can I know
if inner Masters are externally real or just my own subjective projections?
I can't.


<<<<< No need to whait till you "dream", or "astral project", a favorite
past time of the Theosophical Society in its original form by the way.
(J.P. Deveney, Astral Projection or liberation of the Double and the
Work of the Early Theosophical Society.,1997. ), and was basicly is
done by means of visualisation.>>>>>>


Thanks, I didn't know that. Today's Theosophists act as if astral travel was
the worse kind of black magic. Yes, visualization is a primary technique. I
use it myself.


<<<<Tibetan buddhist for example have this practice of "waking up in the
dream", where one asks in the daytime "am I dreaming or not", till
you finally start asking that in your dreams, and find out that even
dreams are dreams.
Brigitte>>>>>>

Right. Dream objects are experienced are real external things while
dreaming, and it is only after waking that we realize that they were all
subjective projections. Change Tze once asked the now-famous question "Am I
a man dreaming I am a butterfly or am I a butterfly dreaming I am a man?"
There is simply no way to know for sure.

Jerry S.