Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00216)

Tuesday, October 16, 2001

Dear Jerry:

I am trying to understand how MOTION is commenced or modified.

I would say that only the CAUSELESS CAUSE may provide an
intellectual answer to a metaphysical puzzle.

Some notes I insert below

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry S [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:08 PM
To: Theosophy Study List
Subject: RE: What is KARMA -- How to Act Without Producing Karma

<<<<MOTION may be the visible effect of universal and individual
Karma. -- seems fair.>>>

Actually Dallas, I would say it's much more likely that karma is
one of the
effects of Motion.


<<<Who originates causes and what is their power are subjects I
try
to learn more about.>>>

I don't believe that there is one supreme originator. Or a
supreme Creator,
or a supreme God. Events cause new events over time. Thats pretty
much all
there is to it.


DTB	NEITHER DO I -- it makes no sense. Impossible



<<<I imagine that the Theosophical teachings by analogy may apply
elsewhere in the Kosmos, but I have no way of verifying those
details. [ S D I 142 seems to define our particular mix ].>>>

Blavatsky clearly states that her Teachings are appicable only to
this solar
system of worlds.



DTB	any specific reference for that ? I THOUGH ANALOGY AND
CORRESPONDENCE OPERATED EVERYWHERE IN AND OUT OF OUR SYSTEM AND
EARTH ? [ Do you mean S D I 142 ? }




<<<The logical mind is detached from the emotional content. It
looks for CAUSES.>>>

The "logical mind" is itself the cause samsara and of
reincarnation and of
mortality, etc. Look deeply into your own mind and you will see
this. The
path is all about going beyond this "logical mind."



DTB	PRECISELY WHAT I MEANT.



<<<My logical mind pushes the causation / nidana / links as a
continuum. In any case the duration of a manvantara or a kalpa
are very long periods of time.>>>

Yes, I agree that manifestation is causal and mortal life is a
causal
continuum. But, is a very long period of time equal to
"eternity." This is,
I think, where confusion comes into play. I think it's more fair
to say it
approaches relative eternity.



DTB I HAVE NOT TRIED TO PUT FINITE OR OUR "TIME SPAN" FINITUDES
INTO THIS EQUATION. I THINK THAT MATERIALIZES RATHER THEN
UNIVERSALIZES.



<<<I would be surprised in finding that Karma comes to a halt
as
the Hindus philosophies seem to say) the determination of Karma
at the end of a Manvantara or a Kalpa if there is any "unfinished
business" left.>>>

Why is this surprising? Where is our "karma" between one life and
the next?
Doesn't it "come to a halt" during that period?



DTB	NO according to the KEY TO THEOSOPHY (HPB) AND H P B'S
"TRANSMIGRATION OF LIFE ATOMS" [ 5 YRS OF THY. p. 339,
BLAVATSKY: Collected Works (TPH) V 110 ] Karma that is
unfinished resides in the "skandhas" which return to the
incarnating EGO so as to furnish it with a vehicle. The karma of
our past lives returns because the skandhas we used earlier were
modified by our choices then. This operates under the laws of
attraction.




<<<Imagine if our going to sleep signaled a total cessation of
memory and forcing on awakening a totally new personality to deal
with.>>>

I suspect that our "personality" is "new" every nanosecond. I am
not the
same person today that I was yesterday. Are you?



DTB MY PERSONALITY CHANGES. BUT I, THE THINKER AND CHOOSER,
AND PERCEIVER, DO NOT CHANGE. OF THIS I AM SURE. I MAY ADD
THOUGHTS AND MEMORIES TO MY COLLECTION BUT THOSE DO NOT MODIFY
THE "REAL" ME.

BEST WISHES,

DAL

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Jerry S.