Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00073)

In this example(karma and reincarnation) belief is quite easy to
differentiate from actuality after initiation or gnosis. 
When trying to explain the difference to atheist/scientists types I use
the analogy of someone who has had sex education at school but has not
had sex. Ie KNOWING ABOUT or OF versus actual 'KNOWING'.

My theosophical beliefs are based around the principal of fundamental
unity. I once believed it - now I KNOW it.


Cheers

.gNOSis.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony [mailto:alpha@dircon.co.uk] 
>Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2001 3:19 AM
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: Theos-World Why US 'Imperialialism', 'Racism' is NOT to Blame...


Hello nos
It depends rather on what we understand by theosophical. Taking
theosophical to mean Wisdom (lit. from theosophia: "Divine 
Wisdom"), yes I do think we can say something is a theosophical 
belief. Do we believe in
Karma and reincarnation, or do we know it? What is the basis of that
belief or knowledge?

It may therefore seem to be a contradiction to write:

<<<Isn't it belief that is the evil? Piloting a plane into 
peoples beliefs (the real materialism) will not bring those 
beliefs down, or render them
harmless. Wisdom (rather than belief) is something we can all
aspire to.
And that aspiration can help in crushing out beliefs 
(ignorance). The curse of humanity.>>>

But is it a contadiction? Aren't both views true? Why would 
you see that
this latter statement is not true? Don't you think that 
ultimately those beliefs do have to be crushed out? Perhaps it 
should be "religious (or
political) belief" rather than belief? Theosophical "belief" becomes
knowledge (wisdom), rather than a belief.
Tony

-----Original Message-----
>From: nos [mailto:nos@granite.net.au]
>Sent: 2 October 2001 4:46 pm
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: Theos-World Why US 'Imperialialism', 'Racism' is NOT to Blame...


What if my beliefs are theosophical?

Nos



-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony [mailto:alpha@dircon.co.uk]
>Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 8:33 PM
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: Theos-World Why US 'Imperialialism', 'Racism' is NOT to Blame...


nos:
<<<We
studied Iraq from his POV at University and it has perhaps 
moulded my own beliefs the most.>>>

Isn't it belief that is the evil? Piloting a plane into 
peoples beliefs (the real materialism) will not bring those 
beliefs down, or render them
harmless. Wisdom (rather than belief) is something we can all
aspire to.
And that aspiration can help in crushing out beliefs 
(ignorance). The curse of humanity.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
>From: nos [mailto:nos@granite.net.au]
>Sent: 2 October 2001 3:24 am
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: Theos-World Why US 'Imperialialism', 'Racism' is NOT to Blame...


HI Michele,

Thanks for the Link - I'm working through it now - I'll get 
back to you with my thoughts. Have you read any Malcolm Booker? 
He is perhaps my main source of political commentary on middle 
eastern situations. We studied Iraq from his POV at University 
and it has perhaps moulded my own beliefs the most.

Regards

Nos

(not ONLY sarcastic!) ;)



-----Original Message-----
>From: Michele Lidofsky [mailto:officerjenny@mindspring.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 3:15 AM
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Theos-World Why US 'Imperialialism', 'Racism' is NOT to Blame...


Jonah Goldberg writes:

"Bernard Lewis, perhaps the greatest living English-language historian
of the Middle East, wrote a brilliant essay eleven years ago in
the Atlantic entitled "The Roots of Muslim Rage." It is the 
best short piece I've found on this subject to date, and I 
think anyone interested in this topic should read it.

Lewis (also) shows that while Israel is obviously unpopular in 
the Arab world, it may not be for the reasons so many knee-jerk 
Israel foes believe....."

An important set of articles giving a valuable brief synopsis 
of East/West history and cultural conflict. Well worth reading.

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/90sep/rage.htm

Michele



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