Theos-Talk Archives (September 2001 Message tt00279)

>:-) My understanding is that our Soul is in the form of the Augeoides (sp?) 
- a composite of all of the best features of all of our Physical lives - but 
are we to suppose that this composite form is located within our Physical 
body? - the Heaven Plane Atoms that make up the body of our Soul 
interpenetrating our Physical body?

Leadbeater describes three levels of the Soul - first, a very young Soul, who 
remains asleep during incarnations, and also between incarnations. Then, a 
more developed Soul who remains asleep during incarnations, but then, after 
Physical death and after working through the Astral Plane and the lower 
levels of the Mental Plane, finally arrives home - on the upper sub-planes of 
the Mental Plane - Heaven - awakening in the Soul's own Augeoides body I 
suppose - living for a while there on that great Plane - perhaps even talking 
with the Guardian Angel who somehow forms a part of the Soul - that being one 
of the main subjects of the Secret Doctrine, although Blavatsky never manages 
to make very clear this relationship between the Soul and the Angel - but at 
least that relationship is stated and a few hints are given about it.

And then there is the highly developed Soul who is awake even during 
incarnations - Leadbeater saying that he talked with many of these Souls - 
saying that many times these highly developed Souls feel a little - I don't 
remember the word he used, but the idea was that the Soul sometimes does not 
like the fact that much Energy and Substance also must be spent on a Physical 
life - Leadbeater saying that the Soul realizes, though, that a Physical life 
is necessary for part of the Evolution of the Soul, and so the Soul sort of 
"tolerates" the Physical life. But Leadbeater doesn't say that all developed 
Souls feel this way, so maybe many times the Soul likes and appreciates their 
Physical life?

And Leadbeater says that if we, on the Phsical Plane, begin working along 
lines that are of interest to the Soul, then the Soul will begin pouring much 
attention our way - that attention being of great benefit to us.

One thing I've always wondered about, is in the case of this highly developed 
Soul, do they sometimes go off on their own - leaving the Physical body - 
still attached to the Physical body by the Sutratma, I suppose, but going off 
somewhere in Heaven doing things we have no conception of?

I can anticipate that many people might answer that saying that Space is 
transcended in Heaven, so it's not a valid question - but I don't believe 
that - many people say Space is transcended on the Astral Plane also, and 
maybe that is True in some ways, but I think it's obvious that Space is 
definitely a real factor on the Astral Plane - Astral travel being a reality, 
one that Leadbeater, and many people, including myself to some extent, have 
experienced. And I suspect that the same is True of Heaven - actual 
travelling through Heaven Space being a reality? 

And one of the main things about Leadbeater that I like is his talk about 
Spatial dimensions - the Astral Plane having Four Spatial dimensions - the 
Mental Plane having Five Spatial dimensions - this is one of my favorite 
subjects - I've been working on it for about 15 years - still can't 
completely visualize Four dimensional objects, but can come very close - am 
convinced that the higher dimensions are a Reality - even though one doesn't 
usually encounter the Fourth dimension when Astral travelling - I never have, 
and nobody is currently talking about it, that I've seen. Of course, the 
Fourth dimension is a popular expression these days, but usually it just 
seems to mean the Astral Plane, and has nothing to do with the Fourth Spatial 
dimension.

But personally I still believe the Astral Plane does have Four dimensions - 
maybe in the not too distant Future, people will begin to experience it. And 
I believe Heaven has Five dimensions - so if a developed Soul does at times 
go off on Adventures, it's travels are probably Five dimensional - our 
Physical World seeming like a sheet of paper, or actually just a slender 
line, compared to Five dimensional Heaven.

Also, Besant mentioned the higher Spatial dimensions at least once, and 
Blavatsky alluded to them at least once. And Leadbeater said that when 
humanity is ready, more of the Truth will be revealed. Maybe we are 
approaching that now, but I don't expect as much as many people are talking 
about - many people predicting all kinds of totally miraculous things that 
are supposed to happen soon. According to Theosophy we're still in the Fourth 
Round of the Fourth Chain, so I think there's a limit to how much we can 
develop now - g'Day! >:-) Grounge