Theos-Talk Archives (September 2001 Message tt00253)

So you're discrediting Shamanism?

Nos



-----Original Message-----
From: Etzion Becker [mailto:etvionbb@netvision.net.il] 
Sent: Monday, 24 September 2001 4:08 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And 
Then Created Again?


What are you trying to say, drugs has anything to do with 
spiritual advancement?! If spiritual advancement would have 
been dependent on chemicals, it wasn't worthy the efforts. Etzion
----- Original Message -----
From: nos <nos@granite.net.au>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:15 AM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And 
Then Created Again?


> I'm sure with years of meditation we could all achieve what a single 
> good sized dose of LSD or ayahuasca or any of the shamanic drugs
> (SOMA!!!!) does in one day.
>
> Ego destroyed
> At one with you
> With we 1 becomes 2 becomes 3
> Polarity dispelled
> In an infinite moment
> Sacred soma return me to thy river
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, 24 September 2001 7:39 AM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then Created 
> Again?
>
>
> >:-) I like that idea - for example, Leadbeater and Besant 
saying that 
> >they
> could see the Elements with magnified clairvoyant sight - 
both of them 
> describing Oxygen as having a dynamic, beautiful, double-spiral, 
> geometric design - a living Creature who we breathe all the time - 
> g'Day!
> >:-) Grounge
>
> In a message dated 9/23/01 7:15:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> nos@granite.net.au writes:
>
> > http://www.erowid.org/index.shtml
> >
> > All substances are both poisons and tonics - depending on the dose
> >
> > Nos
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2001 8:58 AM
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then 
> > Created Again?
> >
> >
> > >:-) Hi - I'm not sure if you were asking me that 
question, but for 
> > >myself, I experimented for a short time with some mind-altering 
> > drugs about 25 years
> > ago, but for the last 25 years I haven't touched anything like
> > that, not even
> > marihuana.
> >
> > And yes, I would offer a warning to anyone who might consider 
> > using that approach. Leadbeater explained it well, saying that 
> > external stimuli only
> > affects one from the outside - and so one might be able to
> > generate some
> > sorts of chaotic clairvoyance types of things, but that is only
> > temporary -
> > only affecting your present life - not carrying over to 
future lives.
> >
> > But if one works from within, by things like meditation, then 
> > one's Soul is directly involved in the process, and so any 
progress 
> > one
> makes by that
> > method is a real advance that remains with one throughout all 
> > Future Lives - and any types of abilities one develops that way is 
> > much more likely to be
> > under one's control, not the chaotic drug type things.
> >
> > Well I believe all that, and that is how I've been living for the 
> > last 25 years, and I have no intention of changing. During 
> > meditation I feel much
> > Deeper than I ever felt back when experimenting with drugs -
> > some of those
> > experiences were intense, but not as Deep as what I feel now.
> >
> > And like I suggested, Astral projection is more exciting 
than drug 
> > experiences anyway! - and since the Astral Plane is between the 
> > Physical Plane and Heaven, usually it must be thoroughly explored
> before one can
> > awaken in Heaven. Although, the Astral Plane can also be
> experienced by
> > meditation, so projection isn't necessary. And there might 
be some 
> > dangers to Astral projection, so one might want to consider that 
> > before attempting it.
> >
> > I don't know, maybe there are ways of using herbal 
approaches that 
> > are of value - Blavatsky mentions the use of Soma - but I don't 
> > think many people
> > today know how to use that method to any benefit, so personally
> > I would warn
> > against it - g'Day! >:-) Grounge
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/01 10:42:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > dalval14@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > > I fail to see what reference to Theosophy and its study such 
> > messages > have.
> > >
> > > If LSD dulls the mind and its control over the
> personality, as do
> > > all drugs, alcohol included, then why need it be mentioned? 
> > Unless as > a warning. I take it this is not a warning ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dallas
> > >
> > > ============================
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then
> > > Created Again?
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/20/01 10:17:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > nos@granite.net.au writes:
> > >
> > > > Have a large dose of LSD and you can experience this
> first hand.
> > > It's > freaky at first but there's nothing like applying
> the theory
> > > > practically.
> > > >
> > > > Namaste
> > > >
> > > > Nos
> > >
> > > >:-) Ha! I don't like stuff like that anymore - for the 
last 25 
> > > years I very much prefer things like meditation and Astral 
> > projection > - still not that
> > > good at either of them, but am still working on it - g'Day! >:-)
> > > Grounge
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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