Theos-Talk Archives (August 2001 Message tt00001)

Frank, I wonder if you think that your unfounded assertion of a so called 
FACT based on a spurious document that you cannot verify constitutes any sort 
of valid argument? Or, even that a supposed entry in such an "imaginary" 
document that indicated someone who resigned has been "expelled" has any 
basis in "truth" (even if such document exists and such a notation was 
actually made)? 

If Crosbie resigned -- which I believe he did judging from (in addition to 
his own writings) by the pains he took to assure that ULT would never become 
such a dictatorial organization as Tingley's group -- it must have been for a 
good reason, and I'm sure that in such a case, those he was in contention 
with would certainly be inclined to consider him as "expelled" -- to save 
face -- rather than admit that he had such a reason to resign (which, to 
them, would be a bad one). What dictatorial organization would ever give a 
member who resigned for good cause, the benefit of the doubt? 

If that's the kind of "truth" seeker you are -- who is looking for a reason 
(based on personalities, angst, innuendoes, and biased opinions) to discredit 
a serious group of theosophical TRUTH seekers -- I wonder just how much of a 
"theosophist" (in the sense stated in the ULT Declaration) you really are?

Incidentally, I resigned from the TS some 40 year ago (before I found ULT or 
knew it even existed) -- probably for some of the same reasons Crosbie did. 
Some of their phony gurus, psychic and spiritualist teachings, and other side 
issues, as well as their rigid formalities of organization, appeals for 
donations, lecture fees and dues, along with their focus on personalities, 
did not gel with my serious study of the original theosophical teachings. 
(I'm not sure, but I suspect that they might have had reason to put 
"expelled" next to my name after I told them in no uncertain terms why I 
couldn't stomach them and wanted out.:-) But, then, I'm no Crosbie. All one 
has to do is read his writings, and compare it with HPB's and WQJ's to know 
what a "true" theosophist he was. 

LHM

In a message dated 07/30/01 5:27:00 PM, ringding@blinx.de writes:

>Dear Dallas and Leon,
>that Robert Crosbie didn't left the HQ by "free will" as the ULT myth goes
>but was expelled "for good cause" as The FORUM article has it, but that
>he actually was kicked out is a matter of FACT.
>
>The TS Point Loma membership record book has an entry for Robert Crosbie
>joining the TS on June 5, 1888. Writing in red ink over the date are the
>words "Marked off 1904 -- Expelled."
>
>Perhaps anyone who lives nearby the Pasadena TS who holds the archives
>of the former Point Loma TS can make a photocopy of it, scan it and present
>it here for the sake of truth seekers.
>Frank