Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00091)

Dear Dr. Tillett

In answering your questions let me place some "attachments" for
you to read.

If placed in the body of an E-mail letter it would be very long.

I hope this presents no problem to you.



Briefly:

1.	Mr. Crosbie was not "ejected" from the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY at
Point Loma. He and his wife left. [ I attach some biographical
notes ].

2.	The "role of the DES" (whatever that may be) would have no
role in "management of the U.L.T. " [ I enclose an attachment
giving a note on the organization of the U.L.T.] Further if you
possess a copy of THE FRIENDLY PHILOSOPHER by Mr. R. Crosbie (I
will be glad to send you one, [although John Cooper ought to have
his own copy in his library, as he was an associate of the U.L.T.
in Sydney, many years ago when my father and mother visited him
in the winter of 1958/9] you will read there in the last section
"IN THE BEGINNING" the answers Mr. Crosbie made to his friends
and associates when the U.L.T. was started.

3.	The "control of the U.L.T. " is made plain in the attachment
that deals with its organization. To put it paradoxically all
associates have the same status: "volunteers." They all "own" it
to the extent that they give their time money and work to its
program. Yet, none own it in the personal, financial or legal
sense. Mr. Crosbie made it plain that "It is a name given to
certain principles and ideas." Those require no physical
lodgment or ownership as they (as ideas) reside in the minds of
men and women interested in them.

To publish books and magazine requires money and editorial work.
To discuss ideas requires an open field, or any one's home, or a
building and halls if available.

You could as well ask: Who owns THEOSOPHY? And I believe the
answer would be: "No one can own or patent a Law of Nature."
"No one can place a patent on History." But I would observe that
in my experience few histories are totally unbiased.

If you seek the "secret" history of the Theosophical societies
and their offshoots, then the best I can suggest are the 2 books:
"The Theosophical Movement --1875-1925" and "The Theosophical
Movement 1875-1950." I am sure both of these are in John's
library. The first is now OUT OF PRINT, the 2nd is available. I
think the price is about $ 7.00. Both are based on articles that
appeared (written and edited by Mr. Crosbie, I believe) in
THEOSOPHY Magazine, Los Angeles :
MASTERS AND THEIR MESSAGE, vols. 2, 3, 4; and Theosophical
HISTORY Vols. 8 to 10; and then the AFTERMATH series in Vol. 23.

In the Bombay magazine THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT in Vol. 17 will
be found an historical review covering several articles it is
titled THE CYCLE MOVETH. In Vols. 25, 26 will also be found a
different series titled: THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT : 1875- 1950 ;
Also THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT IN OTHER AGES, Vol. 35, p. 93.

In trying to answer you I looked through the INDEX of both
THEOSOPHY Magazine and THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT and found a few
articles there on esotericism, which might offer you clues.

THEOSOPHY

ESOTERIC AND EXOTERIC	Vol. 32 p. 308
MOTIVE IN ESOTERIC SCIENCE	14	175
ESOTERIC TEACHING (Sinnett)	38	202
ESOTERIC VALUE OF CERTAIN WORDS	4 79 421
HISTORY OF ESOTERICISM	13	385


THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT

ESOTERIC COLLEGES 11	169
ESOTERIC AND EXOTERIC (B P Wadia)	30	271
ESOTERIC HISTORY	37	225 285
ESOTERIC PHILOSOPHY	36	516
THE ESOTERIC SECTION	2	52
ESOTERIC THEOSOPHY Answers	11	171
SEPTENARY PRINCIP. IN ESOTERICISM	33	326


I am aware of the frustrating difficulty you are presented with,
and the hope you express that some "secret" will open up.
However I doubt that there may be anything that remains "secret"
any longer. I say this because if you have read ISIS UNVEILED,
The SECRET DOCTRINE and H.P.Blavatsky's articles, you will have
noticed that there has been reference made to a secret Grand
Lodge of the BROTHERHOOD OF ADEPTS. And, that this Brotherhood
has existed ever since the world and our Universe began. [ISIS
UNVEILED II 98 - 107; S D I xxiii, 122, 516, II 275,281, 215,
636, 641 The THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY 303,

Until such time as the world of history, science, investigation
realizes that the HUMAN INTELLIGENCE and CONSCIOUSNESS are
eternal and immortal ENTITIES and REALITIES, this aspect of
knowledge will remain a nebulous a blurred "secret."

Theosophy teaches that LIVING INTELLIGENCES (Human MINDS) that
have passed beyond the grade of our average human level of
consciousness exist. It is claimed there that these have existed
since the most remote past, and will so continue till the end of
the inconceivable future.

Read, for instance, the pages of the MAHATMA LETTERS and the
LETTERS FROM THE MASTERS OF WISDOM. Are they normal
correspondence? Do they not indicate that outside the rigid (and
current) lines and parameters of "dead-letter" translations and
the now narrowed and narrowing walls of Orientalism, and that
literalism which is called "the Doctrine of the Eye," there is a
far deeper science and wisdom that unites the knowledge of
natures' LAWS with the practice of a man's (and woman's) daily
life? The ETHICO-MORAL area is that which I indicate. For this
pertains to the development of the Soul and not to the mere
physical frame that so limits us all.

There are two areas where our scientific training of rigid
materialism and literalism in interpreting ancient scriptures and
current psychological mysteries, do not appear to have any points
of reference.

They revolve about the curious notion that Man's SOUL (and
SPIRIT) are deemed to be IMMORTAL. And that every human is an
ETERNAL PILGRIM on a journey that leads eventually after many
incarnations to a goal one can only very dimly define as "sublime
PERFECTION."

As an analogy consider our well-established seats of learning,
and how an academician may pass his whole life in learning a vast
number of details on a very narrow (or on many) subject(s). The
process of selection and the devotion applied is always
individual. The true motive for such effort is known only to the
individual, though it might be speculated about by his comperes.

It should be clear that the planes, realms and speculations (to
be traced down the ages in all philosophies, religions,
histories, lore, myths, annals, etc...) concerning the CAUSE,
SOURCE and MOTIVES of Nature's existence and its Laws -- as well
as the reason for Man's existence, are forever a "secret" for
those who believe that luck, chance, and blind fate (perhaps) are
the sole cause of our existence and the diversity of our
interests. Theosophy in its system includes these parameters and
adds several more that provide reasonable answers to the
condition of things as they are.

At least, that is briefly how things seem to be to me.

I am sure this will not completely satisfy you, but if you wish
to ask further, then do write, I will try to answer.

Best wishes,

Dallas TenBroeck


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-----Original Message-----
From: gregory@zeta.org.au [mailto:gregory@zeta.org.au]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:23 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World ULT Mysteries

The discussion about the role and positive or negative aspects of
the ULT
reminded me of a few intriguing mysteries about the origins and
control
of the ULT.

1. Why was Robert Crosbie ejected from Pt Loma?

2. What has been the role of the DES (the ULT ES organization) in
the
control and/or management of the ULT?

3. Who actually has controlled the ULT throughout its
development, and
how?

On question (1) there are several versions, notably those of the
ULT and
Pt Loma, but there are also "inner" accounts, at least one of
which is
probably accurate. The DES (question (2)) remains one of the
great
secrets of Theosophical history (not unlike the ER of the Adyar
TS); I
hope that its history and teachings will be made accessible to
students
of Theosophical history when I complete the history of secret
societies
in the Theosophical movement on which John Cooper and I were
collaborating at the time of his passing. But the role of the DES
has
been even greater than that of the Adyar and Pt Loma ES groups
because it
has remained largely "invisible". For example, it is not, to my
knowledge, referred to in a single history of the Theosophical
movement
(and is not, of course, mentioned in the Theosophy Company's
history).
Question (3) relates to the real history - as opposed to the
vague
historical statements - of the ULT. No organization operates
without
leadership and systems of power and control, and those that deny
they
have such systems are inevitably more rigidly controlled by those
who
actually hold the "non-existent" positions of authority.

I do not in any way denigrate the work (or, particularly, the
publications) of the ULT, but I would venture to suggest that the
public
relations position it takes simply misrepresents the reality.
Scholars in
the field know, for example, who wrote Theosophy Company's
history and
who headed the movement at various stages of its development.

It is, of course, equally true that the real "inner" history of
both
Adyar and Pt Loma have never been published. Perhaps a little
more open
access, accurate and honest information and the release of
historical
material would promote (rather than damage) the Thoeosphical
movement?

Dr Gregory Tillett



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