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Subject: Theos-World Digest Number 248


> There are 3 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. "ON THE MONAD" (A Collation from the S.D.)
> From: Compiler <compiler@wisdomworld.org>
> 2. Re: Digest Number 132
> From: "Joyce Tromblee" <prema@harborside.com>
> 3. list removal
> From: "Deborah Van Dyke" <soundcurrent@sprint.ca>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:30:45 -0500
> From: Compiler <compiler@wisdomworld.org>
> Subject: "ON THE MONAD" (A Collation from the S.D.)
>
> This important 12-part series (all short articles), collated from THE
> SECRET DOCTRINE, should be useful to everyone, students and
> student-teachers alike. It is listed alphabetically on the Index page of
> almost 300 "Collated" articles that this link goes to (which link is
> found in the "Additional" articles Index page):
>
> ON THE MONAD
> http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/index.html
>
> John DeSantis
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> You may find a great deal of the Truth that you are searching for here:
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> Wisdom World web site (Main Page):
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> The Index page of the Introductory, "Setting the Stage" book:
> http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting.html
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> The page where "Additional" articles are steadily being added:
> http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html
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> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:22:17 -0700
> From: "Joyce Tromblee" <prema@harborside.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 132
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> Please remove me from your mail list.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 8:10 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Digest Number 132
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> There are 7 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: [KUNDALINI] Re: Self
> From: "Eugene Carpenter" <Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us>
> 2. Drukpas & Theosophy
> From: "888" <bhive@alphalink.com.au>
> 3. RE: [bn-sd] Re: Peter on everything being conscious
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> 4. RE: [bn-basic] Re: Linga Sharira
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> 5. RE: [bn-basic] Re: Linga Sharira
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> 6. RE: [bn-sd] Gene on conciousness GOOD and EVIL -- KARMA
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> 7. Kundalini Siddhis and HPB
> From: Martin Leiderman <martinle@mindspring.com>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:39:17 -0800
> From: "Eugene Carpenter" <Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us>
> Subject: Re: [KUNDALINI] Re: Self
>
> And yet . . . .
>
> Love is the oneness and is not dual. Love is the operation of that beyond
> Love.
>
> The Will.
>
> There is that beyond the singularity that asserts that singularity. And
> THAT is Love.
>
> Love is. Love is present now. The Will and it's Shakti, Divine
> Understanding, are bound beyond duality and merge with the Love, the
> Oneness, that fuses them eternally.
>
> It is the manifestation of Love that begins and ends that one day
be-with-us
> shall two disappear. And that manifestation is the presence, the laughing
> Buddha, when minds free to choose to obey the Law of Oneness of the
> emptiness, or free to choose the mental impressions of inexperience within
> the three worlds, choose I and thou. Love struggling to find love. Then
> shrieking with glee and bliss and joy SEEING . . . FINALLY! The Eye
cannot
> see the Eye. The "I" can not see the "I". To see nothing at the end is
to
> have found the answer.
>
> Then. The manifestation of love ends. True Love rests for one more
> Eternity.
>
>
> ( )
>
>
> ( ( ) )
>
>
> ( ( ), ( ( ) ) )
>
>
>
> zero
>
> one
>
> two
>
>
> One Eternal Family, three aspects of
>
>
>
> Love,
> EC
>
>
> (cooperative resistence) :-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Rauhala" <jrauhala@islandnet.com>
> To: "Eugene Carpenter" <ecarpent@co.la.ca.us>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:43 AM
> Subject: [KUNDALINI] Re: Self
>
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> > >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 03:42:18 -0000
> > >Reply-To: KUNDALINI@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [KUNDALINI] Re: Self
> > >
> > >Namaste -
> > >this may help to clarify the love aspect situation.. this was written
> > >by a person that reached realization on my site.... when this was
> > >written i knew he had reached.... enjoy....
> > >Love and Blessings
> > >
> > >Subject: Re: No More
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In God-Realized@egroups.com, Bodhiavasa@y... wrote:
> > >> Namaste Beloved Ganga with deepest thanks,
> > >>
> > >V: Verse C: Comment
> > > This must be prefaced as many that read these words in the beginning
> > >that have thought LOVE is the supreme reality will be rocked to the
> > >core... for the universe which they have held revolves from love has
> > >been seemingly trampled upon.... so please any reading this reserve
> > >judgement on the versus until all has been explained.... This
> > >writing is very deep.. the maya realms illusions are transcended and
> > >shattered... But do not think that beyond love is a lonely emptiness
> > >devoid of warmth... For most assuredly it may be stated that what is
> > >beyond is ABOLUTE WHOLENESS.... COMPLETENESS... Where subject and
> > >object have ended only THAT WHICH IS THE ESSENCE FROM WHICH ALL
> > >ARISES IS.... within the Stillness of ALL Potentialities.... now let
> > >us proceed to the verse and line....
> > >
> > >
> > >V: Love is the first vibration to arise from emptiness, it is the
> > > original illusion for it is based upon the idea of seperatness, an
> > > energy that flows from and to, its belief is that there is
> > > duality, "I" here (the lover) and "YOU" there (the loved) and
> > > immediately "WE" and "TIME" and "SPACE" come into illusive
> > > existence.
> > >
> > >C: Yes very good.... For Love to exist there must be duality...
> > > subject and object... This is why those that are on the Bhakti
> > > path may reach to the edge of Truth... but eventually subject and
> > > object will be transcended... and ALL that remains is One beyond
> > > the One which contains within itself division.... That is why it
> > > is more appropriate to say the Zero... the Zero gives life and
> > > value to all numbers... Yet within itself it is said to be
> > > beyond value enumeration...
> > > Yes God - time - space - we- etc. all come into existance as
> > > separations (reflections of truth) when the silence and stillness
> > > are moved... movement is maya... movement is shakti - energy
> > > Om is vibration that sustains and moves existance... and Love is a
> > > natural progression of this energy....
> > >
> > >
> > >V: In deep sleep Love cannot BE its ISNESS is NOT and finally this is
> > > seen, Love too must be transcended before that which is prior is
> > > fully rested in. The surrendering or sacrifice of Love is the
> > > egos final death and when it has taken place there are no others
> > > all is
> > > Self!
> > >C: Let it be explained this so-called sleep is once again not a
> > > sleep of nothingness... it is an awakeness a pristine awareness
> > > yet it is comprised not of the 5 senses what-so-ever... but
> > > clearly the awareness is Absolute...
> > > Yes when all division ends... what is termed Self remains...
> > > but this Self must be explained... for it is a mis-leading
> > > term within itself... for Self would seem for most to indicate
> > > a singular personality... and this is absolutely not the case...
> > > what remains is Essense... Pure Source... Pure light... That
> > > which cannot be divided... pristine Life energy which is
> > > beyond any birth or death or any limitational boundaries...
> > > there is no such feeling a personality... thus ends the ideation
> > > of ego form... Clearly you remain and yet you are NOT... The
> > > ideation of birth and death end immediately...
> > >
> > >V: The pain of letting go of this last gem IS the real death for
> > > nothing survives, all dies and arises anew as Nirvana which is
> > > exactly the same one as Samsara which was the illusion of a love
> > > within which loved the without. When Love is dissolved there is
> > > nothing in the body that it is realised within and in the same
> > > instant it is seen that there is nothing to be loved in anything,
> > >all
> > > now arises in nothing for no reason other than it does so, no
> > > purpose, no reason , not even Love. Aloneness cannot Love for it is
> > > everywhere it has nowhere to move toward,being all things everwhere
> > > now in this eternal moment.
> > >C: Yes when you reach to realization of That Which Is there is no
> > > movement... It is utterly serene singularity which is even beyond
> > > One for there must be something other for One to Exist... and yes
> > > once that Essense is reached then once again movement will take
> > > place and once again maya realms illusions come again into play..
> > > when you are in the moment of absoulute now... there is no
> > > judgement - no thought - no mind and simply creation exists
> > > as the One beyond any division... You are from that point
> > > conscious of the Reality of One... there is no longer the illusion
> > > of duality it has been transcended... and you have gained what
> > > is termed Moksha or liberation... KNOWING absolutely that maya
> > > realm has no more reality in the end other than an extended
> > > dream state held and sustained by minds play... Consiousness in
> > > never ending eternal unfolding play... but maya realm becomes to
> > > you empty in nature and thereby forever non-dual..... the minds
> > > illusions shattered....
> > >
> > >v: Nothing is left and this cannot die, nor
> > > is it born ,nor does it exist in time.
> > >C: Yes... at the split second of realization it is KNOWN FOR A FACT
> > > that ESSENSE is ever beyond birth and death... that only the body
> > > of form comes and goes but most assuredly you are NOT the BODY
> > > nor the forms illusion of ego centered personality... clearly the
> > > ego you has died and THAT WHICH IS has been born anew....
> > >
> > >V: Love MUST pass away, it is the
> > > final sacrifice.Love is not.Nought remains and all that appears
> > > does
> > > so temporarily in this nought, the zero.
> > > Bodhi Avasa.
> > >C: The illusion of Love is transcended... yet what remains is beyond
> > > that temporal existance and emotion which is termed Love...
> > > The final fear of self extinction has been fully entered into
> > > and has been found to be just that an empty illusion... for
> > > while it is true the ego personality is at an end what has been
> > > dis-covered is the Great Truth.... That the Essense of Life is
> > > Beyond time and experiential maya realms... that all play of maya
> > > is determined by the conditionings of mind... and no more of
> > > minds illusions remain... When the emptiness of Maya in known...
> > > and the dreamstate is seen... and the Stillness of Realization is
> > > entered into the great cosmic joke is at an end.... the illusions
> > > broken and transended... and life begins... the Eternal Now
> > >Unfolds....
> > >
> > > Love and Blessings (Bodhi Avasa for now you are and are not
> > > you are the emptiness of Being) g.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:13:34 +1100
> From: "888" <bhive@alphalink.com.au>
> Subject: Drukpas & Theosophy
>
> Hello Frank,
> >thanks for answer. I see, we are on different planes.
>
> Your reply prompted me to do some internet research on the subject and as
> you can see I have use the current form of "Dugpa" in the subject line. I
> hope our flight schedules now coincide.
>
> >HPB used the term with occult backgriund, wheras you
> >use the word with scientific knowledge.
>
> In our search for the truth we should not be a respecter of personalities
> whether they be HPB or Mahatmas, but rather, rely on the facts. Waddell,
a
> scholar, claims these theosophists are wrong.
> It is an important question because it now becomes a slur against the
> Bhutanese people (who have recently incorporated internet and TV into
their
> kingdom.):
> http://www.bootan.com/articles/king.htm
> http://www.bootan.com/bhutan.htm
>
>
> >You are simply playing with the words, the gramma etc.
> >but that does not alter the meaning.
>
> Not at all.
> Here is a site about the Drukpa religion:
> http://www.drukpa-kargyud.org/
>
> >For a Theosophist the Dugpas are basicly black magians,
> >for others not. What then?
>
> Now they are, but the theosophists original premise may be wrong.
>
> >For some Hitler is a bad person, for others he is a hero.
> >But for those who give him bad names it is no misuse fo terms
> >as they are subjectively convinst that he was evil.
>
> In the case of Hitler there is evidence.
> I'm not saying the Drukpa are not influenced by Indian tantra- they are;
> they do practice magic. So are other Tibetan sects.
> It is aspects of the Bhon religion that the Nin ma practice that is more
of
> a problem.
>
> There are even a couple of Drukpa mailing lists here at yahoogroups:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMYL/message/24
> Maybe they should come on to this list and explain their position.
>
> >Or, if you like, you can rename the Dupgas as Donald Duck, but even if
they
> >are all called Donalds they remain what they are, the unreformed remnants
> >whose direction is to the left hand path.
>
> They may be left hand path as well- let's see what they have to say for
> themselves.
> I make a distinction between left hand path and black magician BTW. Black
> Magicians work alone as they are not to be trusted by anyone.
>
> Fraternally,
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:32:07 -0800
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> Subject: RE: [bn-sd] Re: Peter on everything being conscious
>
> February 13, 2001
>
> Dear Friends Arturo, and LMH,
>
>
> May I break in with a few observations, as
>
>
> Your questions are very interesting. Have you a "source"
> quotation for them?
>
> According to my study of Theosophy let me put in some
> observations below in the body of your letter
>
> Dallas
>
> =================================
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arturo carvajal [mailto:arturo_carvajal@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:59 AM
> To: sd@blavatsky.net
> Subject: [bn-sd] Re: Peter on everything being conscious
>
> LMH wrote..
>
> "Doesn't theosophy teach
> that the "Mother source" of all universal energy (Kundalini) is
> within each
> of us?
>
> DTB Where is this said? Kundalini Sakti is mentioned once in
> the S.D. (I - 273-4) and not much is given by H.P.B. on it
> directly.. There must be a god reason for this. The "yogic"
> teachers of India dwell much on this, but why, and what do they
> direct the attention of students to? Also they demand fees for
> spiritual instruction. That alone ought to be a sign of caution
> as SPIRITUAL POWERS are NEVER for SALE. They are only obtained
> by the knowledge of, and practice, every moment of the day and
> night of VIRTUE.
> Theosophy draws the attention of all students to SPIRITUAL PURITY
> and not to the attainment of "Powers," which might be abused
> psychically for selfish benefit. This does not please all, who,
> drawn to the mystic side of Theosophy and Hinduism, decide to
> attain powers and then decide on how to use them. If one reads
> THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE carefully one is able to discern why and
> how THEOSOPHY indicates that the harmless Path -- that of SERVICE
> and generosity and obeying the LAW of KARMA, are first to be
> attained.
>
> Doesn't Raja Yoga meditation, as Patanjali teaches, show us (by
> direct
> experience) that we can attain all these states of awareness
> while still
> awake -- even to the experience of "isolation" (or Samhadi) in
> the
> zero-point itself? Much food for thought (and meditation) here,
> I would think."
>
> DTB If one reads carefully PATANJALI'S YOGA-SUTRAS and the Notes
> appended to them by Mr. W. Q. Judge, one will be able to grasp
> how the "Path of the SPIRITUAL" practice is to be understood and
> applied.
> NO one will ever be granted real POWER without their first having
> attained and proved by trial that they are HARMLESS to all LIFE
> and to all other BEINGS. If one looks up the nature and ritual
> of INITIATION in the S.D. one will soon find out that the ancient
> rites in Egypt, Chaldea and India were based on the firm
> acquisition of VIRTUE and never are those "POWERS" granted to
> those who retained the slightest part of selfishness and vice,
> and selfishness.
>
>
> The Kingdom of God is within, the Adept Jesus taught long time
> ago, and so
> the Masters have taught us all this time.
>
> DTB If we desire to be and act as GODS, then the whole UNIVERSE
> IS OPEN TO US. But there is this precedent condition: One has
> to transform himself or herself into a totally harmless universal
> being. One has to become a SERVANT OF KARMA and a servant to the
> least Monad or Life-atom. Only this and nothing else will open
> the doors to TRUTH and RIGHT LIVELIHOOD -- and so the Buddhas
> have always declared.
> There has always been in existence one school of disciples who
> have undertaken this line of discipline, under the watchful eyes
> of the Adepts and the Mahatmas. One need only read carefully
> MAHATMA LETTERS as well as H.P.B.'s LETTERS TO Mr. A. P. SINNETT
> to realize this is ever the sole criterion that opens doors to
> the future of a true disciple of THE LAW.
>
> Kundalini is the sleeping serpent
> waiting to be awaked, and it will raise in 33 stepts to the Crown
> of Glory
> and Awareness, and then we might be able to understand who really
> we are, we
> are awake forevermore. Our Lord Buddha, after defeating Mara,
> understood
> what lies behind ilussion. Us, students and Buddha in the making,
> we are
> still behind the veil. To think otherwise is one more illusion.
>
> DTB Buddha has always defeated the MARA-Tempter of the selfish
> personality that resides with SPIRIT side by side as MATTER
> within the MONADIC egg. Each one of us has both BUDDHA and MARA
> resident in us., But there is a 3rd factor to be recognized:
> there is also MANAS the Mind. It is directly related to the
> SOURCE OF ALL : the ABSOLUTE. Therefore it is always able to
> perceive the interactions of SPIRIT and MATTER outside as well as
> inside all beings
> During Manifestation we have active :1
> 1.. a vast sea of MONADS who are learning the LAWS OF NATURE.
> 2. We have those MONADS like the Buddhas, and the Dhyan
> Chohans, and the "Builders" or "Cosmocratores" who have made
> themselves "successful" in the fight for the GOAL OF LIFE -- or
> Soul Immortality., and
> 3. We have psycho-mental humanity encased in a sentient form
> physically (you and me) who are striving to make of our PSYCHIC
> NATURE a well regulated and MENTALLY LOGICAL SPIRITUAL BUDDHA.
> We are the Eternal pupils -- the ETERNAL PILGRIMS.
> This is what I am getting from a study of Theosophy and THE
> SECRET DOCTRINE.
> Best wishes,
> Dallas
> ====================================
>
> Thanks LMH for really trying to 'grasp' reality with the
> mind..but in my
> opinion it will never work, the Way of the Heart taught by HPB
> and the
> Mahatmas is the way. The Kingdom of God is not in our minds, but
> in our
> hearts. This does not mean we ought to stop TRYING to understand
> Life
> Mysteries..no, by all means.
> Arturo
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:32:22 -0800
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> Subject: RE: [bn-basic] Re: Linga Sharira
>
> Dear Chris:
>
> I think you can get the 2 books H.P.B.'s KEY TO THEOSOPHY and
> Judge's OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY "on line" off blavatsky.net.
>
> As to a diagram (is that what you want?) I think each student
> creates his own. If you work from someone else's diagram you may
> pick up their slant. Better to always go to the original if you
> can and become a direct (not one of the filtered) students, We
> don't know at this level of study how trustworthy the "filters"
> are. We have been told that H.P.B. was the MESSENGER from the
> ADEPTS. Mr. Judge was her close co-worker and most successful in
> spreading a knowledge of theosophy in America.
>
> To verify this one needs only to study their books and realize
> how coherent they are. Also one needs to read something of the
> History of Theosophy and the T. Movement -- there is a reliable
> one based on documents -- titled THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT :
> 1875 - 1950 It is available through Blavatsky.net as also from
> the THEOSOPHY COMPANY, Los Angeles.
>
> In other words trust your own perceptions and do your own work.
> If you start in trusting others with no knowledge of their
> ability and veracity, you could do a lot of wandering. Study is
> inevitable, and can be done slowly daily and definitely only by
> one's self.
>
> Beast Wishes
>
> Dallas
>
> =======================================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Stewart [mailto:cstewart@taosnet.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 PM
> To: basic@blavatsky.net
> Subject: [bn-basic] Re: Linga Sharira
>
> Dear Dallas,
>
> Thank you for your suggestions regarding LInga Sharira. I don't
> have Key to
> Theosophy or Ocean of Theosophy right now, but I will try to get
> some
> excerpts online and around the corner look into buying. In the
> mean time, is
> there maybe a drawing of the model. I gather that someone has
> seen all this
> and perhaps drew a picture in order to understand what the
> teacher saw
> inside. And then have a way to sort of fit the pieces of higher
> consciousness together. And have some clue what I may be missing
> out on.
>
> Is it known when the teacher taught HPB to meditate, what exactly
> he told
> her to do? I mean I know that the teachers words may not be the
> whole story
> here, but I just wondered if she revealed what was said to her
> about how to
> meditate?
>
> Chris
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:32:31 -0800
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> Subject: RE: [bn-basic] Re: Linga Sharira
>
> Dear Adelasie and Chris:
>
> May I but in a little?
>
> It occurred to me that some ideas in another post of mine might
> be of some help..
>
> The "ASTRAL BODY" is a "tool" or "vehicle" for the consciousness
> to act through (see S.D. I 181)
>
> in the S.D. (I - 268) we find HPB declaring:
>
> "...the Universe, which manifests periodically, for purposes of
> the collective progress of the countless lives, the outbreathing
> of the ONE LIFE; in order that through the Ever-Becoming, every
> COSMIC ATOM in this infinite Universe, passing from the formless
> and the intangible, through the mixed natures of
> semi-terrestrial, down to matter in full generation, and then
> BACK AGAIN, reascending at each new period higher and nearer the
> final goal; that each atom, we say, may reach through individual
> merits and efforts that plane where it rebecomes the one
> unconditioned ALL." S.D. I 268
>
> We find H.P.B. later on, on that page (I-268), describing the
> Pilgrimage of the MONAD -- it is a concise and beautiful summary
> of the purpose of OUR LIVES.
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Then again on S.D. I 274
>
> "...every external motion, act, gesture, whether voluntary or
> mechanical, organic or mental, is produced and preceded by
> internal feeling or emotion, will or volition, and thought or
> mind. As no outward motion or change, when normal, in man's
> external body can take place unless provoked by an inward
> impulse..."
>
> DTB Everyone knows that it is THEY (the "I" in us) who have
> generated the CHOICE as what their actions will be. There may
> be also the effects of
> training in early life, and heredity trends passed down from
> ancestors, parents, etc...that affect and reside in the
> PERSONALITY, but those are considered every time a choice is
> made. WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES IN THE PAST OF OUR LIFE OR IN
> PREVIOUS LIVES, AND THUS WE ARE ALWAYS DIRECTORS OF OUR FUTURE.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> turning to S.D. I 274 we find H.P.B. saying:
>
> " The whole Kosmos is guided, controlled and animated by almost
> endless series of Hierarchies of sentient Beings, each having a
> mission to perform, [ whether called Dhyan Chohans,
> "Messengers" ] are agents of Karmic and Cosmic Laws."
>
> DTB In S.D. I 181, H.P.B. gives us a view of the triple
> evolutionary scheme of 3 vestures or forms into which the HUMAN
> CONSCIOUSNESS is able to work. It does this as an on-going
> process even though the physical basis is replaced time after
> time. The ONE CONSCIOUSNESS of every human is linked to the ONE
> as well as to every other.
>
> She states these three vehicles or bodies, are
>
> 1. the Spiritual (or MONADIC),
>
> 2. the Intellectual (or MANASIC), and
>
> 3. the Physical (or the ASTRAL MODEL, electro-magnetic, as a
> permanent shape for the physical molecules and metaphysical atoms
> to adhere to), are "inextricably interwoven and interblended at
> every point," and that they serve " for "growth," of the lowest
> to the highest through " the transformations through Manas
> [Mind]--owing
> to the accumulation of experiences--of the FINITE into the
> INFINITE, of the TRANSIENT into the ETERNAL and ABSOLUTE."
>
> Our embodied Mind (lower Manas, or "brain-mind") tends to
> physicalize and
> materialize all things. It takes a deliberate effort of will to
> keep it centred between the MATERIAL and the SPIRITUAL poles of
> the MONAD.
>
> This may be difficult to understand, but the clue seem to lie in
> the concept of the UNBREAKABLE connection between Mind and the
> Absolute (from which all comes and in which all bathes).
>
> At either sides are the poles of the MONAD we find 2 POLES (as in
> an oval or an egg) :
>
> 1. ATMA (a "ray" of Universal Spirit) and,
>
> 2. BUDDHI (the ultimate essence of Matter, pure and
> depersonalized, and this includes the MEMORY of every
> experience -- the universal AKASIC medium drawn from all Monads
> is the source of this universality. Thus we may see that the
> apparent duality of the MONAD (Spirit/Matter) is in reality
> during periods of manifestation is in reality a TRINITY (of
> ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS).
>
> One has to agree that the concept of reincarnation (which depends
> on the KARMA -- or consequences (good or bad) of our earlier
> choices -- gives a basis for all events in our lives.
>
> But looking deeper one sees that the eternal background of the
> ABSOLUTE cannot be excluded, and therefore this ETERNAL ENTITY is
> a compound of ABSOLUTENESS- ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS) or the Divine
> Tetragrammaton -- or SQUARE.
>
> In the MONAD (composed of the polar opposites SPIRIT and MATTER),
> there also is that which is able to contemplate both, as well as
> their many intricate, composite relationships, memories and forms
> That is the MANASIC or Mind principle. One of the faculties of
> the Mind (Manas) is the ability to be detached from the subject
> under contemplation (meditation).
>
> Intelligence and consciousness are Manasic faculties. They
> enable a perception of every part of the living entity, and its
> environment. They can
> deal with memory, contemplate the future effect of words and
> deeds, and understand the vast LAWS of NATURE (KARMA), so that
> the future in terms of anticipated results is at Mind's control..
> For man-mind to be "creative" the restrictions of the past (we
> imposed by choice on ourselves) have to be understood and then
> overcome so that previous errors are not
> Ignorantly (or self-importantly) repeated.
>
> For this reason it is said in the quote given that the Adept (the
> Man of stable and controlled MIND) is able to keep his two
> vehicles (Spiritual and Physical) SEPARATE.
>
> When one is wise with the knowledge made instantly available it
> cannot be ignorant. The VOICE OF BUDDHI --of the CONSCIENCE and
> MEMORY speaks always before the embodied mind chooses. Thus
> error and the breaking of Nature's Laws is always a deliberate
> act, and not one of ignorance at all..
>
>
> I hope this might be of help.
>
> Our lives are made up of the sum of our periods of directed or
> recipient consciousness. We look either FORWARD, or BACKWARD
> (through memories -- which may be accurate or fragmentary) or we
> may even be passive (as mediums are) when we allow other
> conscious entities to direct and rule our vision. (This last is
> dangerous to us.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> ===========
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Stewart [mailto:cstewart@taosnet.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:31 PM
> To: basic@blavatsky.net
> Subject: [bn-basic] Re: Linga Sharira
>
> Dear Adelaise,
>
> OK if it's not the astral body stretching out into the other
> planes to peek
> in, what is it that experiences higher consciousness? Or what is
> it that is
> experiencing this consciousness. I think I'm asking for the name
> of the part
> that is the experiencier of consciousness. So that when the
> lights go on so
> to speak, who is seeing higher consciousness? And what is the
> process or
> method by which the devotee has this moment of awareness.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ---
> CUT
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:32:42 -0800
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> Subject: RE: [bn-sd] Gene on conciousness GOOD and EVIL -- KARMA
>
> February 13, 2001
>
>
> Dear Friend:
>
> May we use that which H.P.B. offers tom us in THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY so as
to
> distinguish between the weight that Theosophy gives to the terms "Feel"
and
> "Know" or "Think?"
>
> Both "Feeling" (from the psychic nature and plane) and "Thinking" (from
the
> Mind, the THINKER WITHIN and the plane of Manas (mind) are only TOOLS of
the
> INDIVIDUALITY the Spiritual EGO which is called in theosophy the MONAD, or
> ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS. These are the immortal, the deathless part of
ourselves,
> and this uses the mind to think, to remember, to anticipate and directs
its
> faculties. It is affected (as all tools are) by the way in which we have
> used it.
>
> Similarly the psychic feeling and desire, passionate nature (which is
> separate from the "ASTRAL BODY" or "PLANE") as it is separate from the
> plane of MANAS (the Mind) and its faculties.
>
> In the S.D., H.P.B. gives us an idea of the intricate nature of
> CONSCIOUSNESS and where the INDIVIDUAL "I" may live and operate. (S.D. I
> 181-2).
>
> All FEELING is said by Theosophy to emerge from our psychic nature or the
> psychic plane. It relates to the (or our) personality -- it is colored by
> the way WE FEEL concerning things. Even "deeply feeling" may come under
> this category. It uses the "astral plane" to touch and impact our
PHYSICAL
> SENSES and imparts to them its own coloration.
>
> When we come to thought we are dealing with another "tool" of the
> INDIVIDUALITY entirely. The psychic personality cannot discern the
future.
> The Manasic (Mind) faculty can extrapolate from memory or present data and
> paint for itself alternate "futures." It basis itself on memory, and the
> fact that Nature operates on LAWS which are universal, impersonal and
cover
> all living creatures in the chain of evolutionary progress.
>
> Many would like Nature to be whimsical and lawless sometimes, but such is
> not the case, nor is it possible to say or pray, saying "I am sorry" for
the
> consequences to be reversed or "forgotten." Karma as Law just and true
> requires that all choices be carried out to their fruition on the
individual
> (ourselves) who evolved them.
>
> Theosophy states that all our options affect others. The balancing and
> harmonizing of disturbed Nature demands that not only our "little-lives"
> (monads, skandhas) be redressed, but that any other being or person
affected
> by our actions be also repaid.
>
> The whole of Nature's manifestation is an example of a wholeness, a
sanity,
> a disease free environment. To be brief, one might say that the VIRTUES
are
> idealized in the LAWS OF NATURE, in KARMA. The ices are those thoughts,
> feelings, action which tend to destabilize cooperative and interactive
life.
>
> I hope this might be of help.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> ============================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DNisk98114@aol.com [mailto:DNisk98114@aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:55 PM
> To: sd@blavatsky.net
> Subject: [bn-sd] Gene on conciousness
>
> Hard to impart to anyone the importance of deeply "feeling" these supernal
> truths about us (see all posts concerning conciousness) particularly the
> grasp of that tenuous state called the astral , but at the same time
> realizing that it MUST precede our physical form and once that is realized
> then we might proceed to the state that is responsible for forming even
the
> astral.
> Oh if only...... ---
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:19:14 -0800
> From: Martin Leiderman <martinle@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Kundalini Siddhis and HPB
>
> Regarding Kundalini and "Mother Source" and Siddhis (Powers), I also
offer:
>
> DTB Where is this said? Kundalini Sakti is mentioned once in
> the S.D. (I - 273-4) and not much is given by H.P.B. on it
> directly.. There must be a god reason for this.
>
>
> HPB in the Voice of the Silence gave a lot more information:
> ======================================
> "Let not thy "Heaven-Born," merged in the sea of Maya, break from the
> Universal
> Parent (SOUL), but let the fiery power retire into the inmost chamber, the
> chamber of the Heart (23) and the abode of the World's Mother (24).
>
> Then from the heart that Power shall rise into the sixth, the middle
region,
> the place between thine eyes, when it becomes the breath of the ONE- SOUL,
> the
> voice which filleth all, thy Master's voice.
>
> Notes:
> (23). The inner chamber of the Heart, called in Sanskrit Brahma poori. The
> "fiery power" is Kundalini.
>
> (24). The "Power" and the "World-mother" are names given to Kundalini -
one
> of
> the mystic "Yogi powers." It is Buddhi considered as an active instead of
a
> passive principle (which it is generally, when regarded only as the
vehicle,
> or
> casket of the Supreme Spirit ATMA). It is an electro-spiritual force, a
> creative power which when aroused into action can as easily kill as it can
> create.
> =============================
>
> >From the above quotes by HPB it is evident that HPB amplified the
knowledge
> provided in the SD.
> I for one don't think that everything 'good' to know is found in the SD.
> That
> sounds cultist.
>
> Also Dallas said about the Powers (Siddhis):
> "Theosophy draws the attention of all students to SPIRITUAL PURITY
> and not to the attainment of "Powers, . . ."
>
> But the Voice of the Silence says:
>
> "Follow the wheel of life; follow the wheel of duty to race and kin, to
> friend and foe, and close thy mind to pleasures as to pain. Exhaust the
law
> of Karmic retribution. Gain Siddhis for thy future birth.
>
> Lets not be superstitious nor fearful about it. Let be prudent, courageous
> and
> wise.
>
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Dallas
> >
> > =================================
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arturo carvajal [mailto:arturo_carvajal@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:59 AM
> > To: sd@blavatsky.net
> > Subject: [bn-sd] Re: Peter on everything being conscious
> >
> > LMH wrote..
> >
> > "Doesn't theosophy teach that the "Mother source" of all universal
energy
> > (Kundalini) is
> > within each of us?
> >
> > DTB Where is this said? Kundalini Sakti is mentioned once
in
> > the S.D. (I - 273-4) and not much is given by H.P.B. on it
> > directly.. There must be a god reason for this. The "yogic"
> > teachers of India dwell much on this, but why, and what do they
> > direct the attention of students to? Also they demand fees for
> > spiritual instruction. That alone ought to be a sign of caution
> > as SPIRITUAL POWERS are NEVER for SALE. They are only obtained
> > by the knowledge of, and practice, every moment of the day and
> > night of VIRTUE.
> > Theosophy draws the attention of all students to SPIRITUAL PURITY
> > and not to the attainment of "Powers," which might be abused
> > psychically for selfish benefit.
>
>
>
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