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Re: Theos-World original versus Boris de Zirkoff editions of THE SECRET DOCTRINE

Jun 10, 2001 12:54 PM
by ramadoss


While your comment is on target, there is one difference.

We do have the actual writings of HPB and others published when they were alive. I have no problem with anyone trying to change anything for any reason. However, I would like them to leave the original writings as they are and annotate the changes - deletions, additions, corrections, modifications or anything else so that the reader can decide for himself or herself as to what appeals to them and what they want to accept or reject.

But making the changes and republishing it under the original title and original author is at issue -- since the reader is unable to be know what the changes were and why. This is important because, the person who is trying to make changes while may be motivated by unselfish and laudable motives, he/she could unconsciously misrepresent or misinterpret what the original writer were trying to communicate.

If anyone wants to publish say Secret Doctrine with the modified title -- "Improved Secret Doctrine edited to make it more readable and more understandable using modern vocabulary and some corrections" with the new author's Name in Bold letters, he/she is free to do so. In such a case the reader can respond with their purse to see if it appeals to them or not.

I hope my logic is simple.

___MKR___


___MKR___

At 05:25 PM 6/8/01 -0700, you wrote:
Yes, not much time has passed, and we do understand the original words
pretty well, but the meaning of words change with the passage of time.

Some folks want the words of the Bible to remain static, no matter
what changes have been made in the meaning, and the modern
understanding of the meaning of the words. It almost looks to me, that
that viewpoint is what is being advocated here when I hear it repeated
time and again, that we must concentrate on only the original words,
in the original published form, as though it is Dogma. HPB really
loved DOGMA, didn't she?


----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding@blinx.de>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World original versus Boris de Zirkoff editions of
THE SECRET DOCTRINE


> Dear Doss and Dallas,
>
> perhaps my English is too bad, but that's not my point.
> I agree with that you both wrote.
> But I was trying to offer an explanation how Boris could have seen
it.
> I don't say it is right or wrong.
> Please read my text again.
>
> I was trying to say that there are rumours that Boris may have
possibly
> felt his inner duty to reveil something, considering that to his
> understanding
> the great majority of students of present day may have become
unworth
> for the deeper esoteric knowledge.
> HPB once said about the Gautama Buddha that in his compassion he
gave
> too much of the teachings and later regretted it.
> Perhaps a simliar situation for Boris who may have felt the same
with the
> modern theosophical teachings.
>
> We know it for a fact that there is a huge bulk of higher, esoteric
> theosophical
> teachings existsing on the outer plane, but unknown even to the
theosophical
> public. Who is that possible? The only satisfying explanation to me
is that
> we
> are not ready for them.
>
> We know that HPB wrote a history of the mystery schools of the past.
> The texts are not there. Why?
>
> We know that Purucker planned too to write the story of the mystery
schools.
> And there were many other plans too. Why do we not have it?
> An answer limited to the restrictions of the physical plane,
problems to
> find
> good coworkers, money etc. is not enough seen with theosophical
eyes.
> Hope, that makes a little bit clearer what I want to say.
> Frank
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>
> Dear Doss:
>
> I agree 100% on this point.
>
> No one is conceivably so proud and arrogant as to interpose
> themselves between H.P.B. and the Masters who brought us
> THEOSOPHY the SANTANA DHARMA -- the eternal doctrine -
>
> Those who believe this have not studied the ORIGINALS thoroughly
> or made the necessary correlations that anyone can make. They
> are in a hurry and apparently seek to draw in others who want a
> "Quick way" to SPIRITUAL WISDOM.
>
> The only way we can calm and pacify our intermediate PSYCHIC
> nature (fueled by Kama - desires and passions) is by
> universalizing and impersonalizing our views - and this means to
> change and also to purify all our motives.
>
> There has been a current ongoing research on CONSCIOUSNESS and a
> number of interesting things have emerged.
>
> Who and what is the 'WE" that directs and channels the MIND ?
> How is this to be done? What is the Goal we ought to seek? How
> and why do we make choices? How does Karma attach itself to us
> through our choices?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> =====
>
> I beg to differ on this issue. It is the right of everyone of us
> to put
> forward what our understanding of the facts presented in the
> original works
> of HPB and others. When the question of "correction" or "editing"
> for what
> ever reason comes up, how are we sure that the editing is
> improving the
> understanding. It is not unlike an world reknowned Professor of
> English
> trying to edit Shakespeare's plays to improve them. It is in the
> best
> interests of everyone to leave the originals intact and not
> tamper with them.
>
> ___MKR___
>
> At 12:28 PM 6/6/01 +0200, you wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have been told the story that Boris edited so many terms
> because he has
> had good reason to do so. A higher chela can regognize moments
> when it is
> necessary to reveil more then to unveil. Perhaps Boris has seen
> that the
> theosophical philosophy is on the descending arc and becomes
> more and more
> corrupt. Then someone who feels his duty could come to a
> situation where he
> decides to keep the teachings clean before the unwise.
> Could that be an explanation?
> Frank
>
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