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RE: The Quest of Life CAN IT BE DEFINED? and FOUND?

Mar 07, 2001 02:56 AM
by dalval14


Wednesday, March 07, 2001

 

 

Dear M----:

 

 

If you have studied the KEY TO THEOSOPHY so as to learn what THEOSOPHY has to say about the principles of Man, then you will be able to answer the question for yourself.

 

 

OUR PSYCHOLOGY

 

Examine your own psychology.. Can you be detached?  Can you try to look into your innate potentials?  Can you see the difference between selfishness and unselfishness?  Can we determine clearly in our own understanding the difference between selfish VICES and generous, unselfish and universal VIRTUES? 

 

Thisis the basic problem with us all. 

 

 

OUR CONSCIOUSNESS and INTELLIGENCE

 

First we need to know what is CONSCIOUSNESS  ( to see/understand along with )  What sees along with WHAT ?  Is it the brain-mind that tries to see along with the SPIRITUAL IDEALS that are UNIVERSAL and IMPERSONAL ?  And, remember that the bran-mind (Lower Manas) is only a reflection of the lesser capacities and qualities of the HIGHER MIND -- the Buddhi-Manas or the VIRTUOUS MIND, wise with the experience of its ages of existence and evolution -- for this is an immortal and the seat of our existence (our outside-living).

 

 

EGOIC IDENTITY  ---   MIND  --  SOUL  -  SPIRIT  Are they real ?

 

Thatwhich gives us pour special identity is WHAT?  What are we going to call it?  What qualities will it represent?  Will it be a universal criterion -- applicable reasonably to all persons, or will it be something personal and entirely selfish to us which ISOLATES us from the rest of the world?

 

 

COOPERATIVES and WHOLENESS

 

If the Cosmos and our World is a CO-OPERATIVE, then, how do we determine our placein it?  Or, do we believe that the whole Universe exists only to provide us with our own pleasures and pastimes?  Do we think that we can carve a small isolated portion of it and call it our territory, and then exercise proprietary rights over it?  And in that case I ask you:  How long would you be able to live in  such an ISOLATION without fresh air, water, food, earth, etc., etc… [ I am deliberately stretching the analogy and only allowing in your “territory” that which you have isolated at this moment and forever after.  In other words you will receive from nature and man no further assistance.  What then? ]

 

These are the basic ideas we have been reviewing not once but many times so far, and where is there any progress? 

 

 

SELF-STUDY  -- some suggestions

 

So why not start making notes for yourself about  -- you will have to do the work and all that anyone can say or do for you is to point to the tools and methods that they have found useful.  You cannot get very far, or resolve doubts, if you are going to try to get something g for nothing, which happens to fit your notions, and does not relate to THINGS AS THEY ARE.  [ I mean things viewed impersonally. Impartially, and as a cooperative where all units fit into an interacting and mutually life-giving whole? ]

 

So:

 

 

1.         What are the qualities of the UNIVERSE ?  How are they to be defined?  What are they named?

 

2.         What are the equivalent characteristics of HUMAN BEINGS?  Define.  Name.

 

3.         What is the INTER-RELATION of these ?

 

Letssee what you are able to come up with.  What are the dead ends you can identify?  What kind of bridges of understanding and logic would you recommend be installed to make the whole coherent and reasonable?

 

Best wishes,

 

Dallas

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: m

Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:53 AM
To:

Subject: The Quest of Life

 

 
In GITA NOTES p. 68 we read:  “This devotion is what is inculcated by the Adepts to their chelas.  It involves mental abnegation [ giving up any personal interest in the benefits of ] . . . "

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In other words (?), that "simple and the most difficult" aspect of devotion toward "REAL PROGRESS" would seem to be, among other things, "simplexic" (if I can be permitted to use that wordin the sense of "simple and most difficult" or "simple and complex"?).

 

            DTB      REAL PROGRESS of WHAT towards WHERE?  Define?

 

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For example, if one were to believe in one's devotion to an ongoing search for more and more Essential meaning in everything  for the sake of Essential meaning---as less-Essential forms of meaning are beginning to have less Essential Relevance, for one, comparatively speaking---then would that kind of search qualify as contributing to "REAL PROGRESS"?

 

            DTB      What are those ESSENTIALS?   DEFINE.

 

You cannot be devoted without an object can you?

 

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If the relevant factors would so qualify that kind of devoted search:  one's thoughts about Essential meaning, one's attempts to understand thought itself, would seem to be, at a certain point in one's evolution, fostered by aspects of devotion, in a sense:  It's as if a certain kind of "spiritual devotion" arises out of one's Karma,  prompting one to, in a sense, Believe in that devotion, leading one to search for more and more Meaning (beyond the appearances) in everything.    That devoted search for Meaning would seem to have unifying force, or effect:  One could honestly say "I BELIEVE" (as opposed to "tentatively believe", for example) in one's own form of devoted SEARCH for more and more meaning, or Meaning, in everything: Such devoted search-beliefs in turn leading toward, for example, theosophic studies, "centralising intelligence,"  "brotherhood" concepts, etc.

 

            DTB      Mere BELIEF without logic or proof sends you, me and everyone else back to the CHURCH where the sole tenet is  “THEPRIEST KNOWS.  You BELIEVE BLINDLY.” 

 

Who profits from that?  Only those who are lazy and will not do the searching for themselves.

 

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My contention here being that theosophic self/Self studies that don't have a Meaningful-enough "SEARCH" component, (in Basic/Essential-theosophic terms), can be (for some?) missing a necessary-essential link to considerations such as "mental abnegation [ giving up any personal interest in the benefits of ]", in that a certain kind of devoted SEARCH for Meaning would seem (as I see it) to offer a "real-enough" (and often a "necessary"?) bridging or metempsychosic effect toward elements of Essential Meaning/Relevance or Buddhi-Manas.

 

            DTB      A “search-component” is not an insensitive mechanical device.  Everything in Nature is ALIVE andhas its own PURPOSE.  Our mechanistic, materialistic civilizations stops at forms.  IT DOES NOT ASK  “HOW WAS THE FORM MADE /”  What INTELLIGENCE IS TO BE SEEN IN IT?  WHAT IS ITS REAL PURPOSE?  HOW DOE IT RELATE ME TO OTHERS?

 

Theosophically THE “SEARCH COMPONENT” -- AS YOU MUST ALREADY KNOW INTUITIVELY AND LOGICALLY -- is the FREE-WILL.  It is inherent in all humans and is the result of their being now aware that the ETERNAL MONAD within has reached the stage of being a mind being.  It is now an EGO -- a MIND -- a SOUL.  There is an innate urge in each of us to KNOW OURSELVES.  Some dislike this and then the smother it or do nothing or actively seek to obliterate it in others?  What is your position? 

 

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The less simplexic explanation of the above might be:  Much questioning of one's motives, values, etc., can lead to more and more relevant considerations,  and those in turn possibly leading one toward aspectsof Relevance (or Buddhi-Manic insights).

 

            DTB      GOOD  Now why don’t you list themfor us to look over.

 

Best wishes,

 

Dal

 

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M


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