Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00089)

Steve, 

What you describe below "exists" as the zero- (or laya-) point postulated in 
theosophy to be (and contain), both before and after manifestation, the 
"center of the universe which is everywhere and its circumference which is 
nowhere." 

Since this immeasurable point and its surrounding abstract motion or 
"spinergy" can be considered a representation of the Absolute, itself, it is 
the only aspect of the Universe that could be unmoving (absolutely and 
relatively) while containing infinite energy in perfect balance between 
negative (attractive) and positive (repulsive) force (which, incidentally, is 
the root of the concept of *gravity* as a "dual force" spoken of by HPB). 
Interestingly, postmodern science is beginning to consider that this dual 
aspect of gravity may account for the "fifth force" that sometimes seems 
necessary in order to close the gap between relativistic and quantum 
theories, as well as complete the Grand Unified Theories of Everything (GUTE) 
that Superstring/M-brane theories seem to be approaching. 

Thus, the unmanifest, non-dimensional, nonlinear "zero-point" can be 
considered as an invisible and immeasurable "object" spread out through all 
of manifest space, while still remaining the absolutely immovable "rootless 
root" containing the completely static or inertial force against which is 
opposed all manifest multidimensional forces in relative linear motion. 
Relativity theory, however, shows that we can never "measure" this "absolute" 
motion of any mass-energy object (although we can measure its relative motion 
with reference only to another object we assume to be stationary). In 
addition, the force necessary to accelerate any such object depends on the 
restraining negative force of inertial energy resident in the zero-points 
within the fields of that mass-energy. 

Superstring/M-brane theory is based on this "non local" zero-point and its 
immeasurable, higher dimensional (up to 14) surrounding energy fields or, as 
they say, "the perturbations of the so called 'vacuum'" -- that are the root 
source of all measurable, 3-dimensional fields of mass-energy that form the 
myriad physical "objects" from the smallest sub atomic particles to the 
largest galactic cluster. When Superstring theorists do finally cross over 
the energy gap between the zero-point "spinergy" and the physical universe of 
mass-energy, and recognize the 7 inter-dimensional field phases of the 
"coadunate but not consubstantial" fields of consciousness between them, like 
bubbles within bubbles within bubbles, ad infinitum -- the metaphysical 
scientific teachings of theosophy will be completely vindicated.

The infinitesimal (and infinite) zero-point(s) -- each of which must be the 
focus of all the forces in the universe, as well as all the abstract motion, 
"spinergy" or infinite energy of the Absolute -- must, therefore, be the 
focus of both universal as well as individualized consciousness that is 
latent within all unmanifest and manifest beings [the "unmanifest Being," or 
"Beness" (to quote HPB), being the Absolute source of all manifest beings]. 
Accordingly, we could further postulate that the "experience of 
consciousness" or "qualia" (the "hard problem" of consciousness study which 
so far has resisted all "scientific" attempts at explanation) is the inherent 
nature of the unmoving zero-point, and the source of our individual awareness 
or experience of the qualia (or *feeling*) of consciousness. How else could 
we measure the relative qualities of light or sound except against the 
absolute darkness or silence of our own, individualized absolute zero-point 
representing the "higher Self"? 

Of course, this solves the "hard problem" of consciousness completely... But 
so far very few physical scientists are willing to listen to me.:-) In fact, 
Jack Sarfatti, one of the leading quantum physicists with a theory of 
consciousness based on Bohm's "implicate and explicate orders" [which is 
almost theosophical] said that I was "barking up a tree" and that only his 
theory could explain qualia -- which he said is based on standard quantum 
theory plus a "quantum back wave" (whatever that means). Maybe, if Einstein 
was still alive, he would understand, since he (as a student of HPB) could 
never accept "standard" quantum theory -- which has always been incompatible 
with relativity theory (which comes right out of the *Secret Doctrine*, 
almost verbatim). 

I guess it depends on whether one sees the universe as being fundamentally 
composed (or constructed) of waves or particles (as scientific materialists 
believe)... And, which I think, in line with theosophy, is simply a temporary 
illusion on the physical plane -- while the wave or cycle is the inherent 
nature of the ubiquitous "root" zero- (or laya-) point and its surrounding 
"spinergy" or infinite "primal energy." This is clearly in line with what 
Krishna (representing the Absolute) said in the Bhagavad Gita, "I create this 
whole universe with a single portion of myself, and remain separate" -- and 
also with what Buddha said, "nothing comes from nothing." 

Therefore, if everything must come from something, how could the 
"singularity" (to use Einstein's term) of the zero-point absolute "rootless 
root" not "exist"? And, since it is the source of infinite energy, how could 
it not have "infinite mass-energy"? Also, since it is also the root of 
awareness, and therefore is the source of all consciousness, how can it not 
be latently conscious itself (even though not having anything objective to be 
wakefully conscious of)? Isn't unconsciousness, then, just sleeping 
consciousness? Couldn't it also be that when we are in deep sleep and 
entirely unconscious, that our highest consciousness fields just return to 
their primal state of absolute imperceptible spin -- and then, later, awaken 
to slightly lower, more perceptible levels in the akashic, higher manasic, or 
astral fields when we dream? Can the zero-point of latent awareness which is 
everywhere and within every thing, ever disappear? Doesn't theosophy teach 
that the "Mother source" of all universal energy (Kundalini) is within each 
of us? Doesn't Raja Yoga meditation, as Patanjali teaches, show us (by direct 
experience) that we can attain all these states of awareness while still 
awake -- even to the experience of "isolation" (or Samhadi) in the zero-point 
itself? Much food for thought (and meditation) here, I would think. 

Om Tat Sat

LHM

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In a message dated 02/10/01 3:40:03 AM, stevestubbs@yahoo.com writes:

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>That said, suppose that the immovable object exists
>anyway. Being immovable, it has no consciousness. It
>will not reflect light, nor will it oppose the passage
>of light through it. It is in other words perfectly
>transparent and invisible to vision. In this sense
>the immovable object is unmanifest to the visual
>sense. The same thing would be true of the other
>senses. It would have no taste, no smell, no weight
>(even though its mass would be infinite, which seems
>to be a contradiction and an absurdity). It would not
>exist as a phenomenon at all, which means if we were
>to posit its existence as a noumenon, we would have to
>do so with no evidence to go on.
>
>One would then have to ask: Could it be aid that such
>a body exists? It would not exist to us, and if it
>has no consciousness, it would not exist to itself. 
>So in what sense could it be said to exist?