Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00026)

sanctius@mail.com wrote:

> John Stankiewicz:
> >You're deluded about this (no offense meant), as most people are.
>
> I might be deluded, yes. By myself or by others. As long
> there are "myself" and "others", I might be deluded. O:-)
>

nice. sure.

>
> >Even two intitiates of the same degree will
> >most likely manifest different siddhis.
>
> But what in reality ARE those so-called siddhis? Isn't my physical
> hearing and sight siddhis too? Isn't it a siddhi anymore when
> everybody has it? There is a point in human evolution where physical
> hearing and sight become 99% common. There is also a point in human
> evolution where spiritual knowing becomes 99% common. Of course there
> are nowadays some people who can't see or hear, and there are likeways
>

No, your sight, hearing, taste, and so on are not siddhis as considered in
the traditions.
Siddhis are powers that manifest when a person has progressed to a
certain/whatever level of degree.

And experience/history has shown that no two yogins (or even Gurus) who
have progressed to a certain degree, necessarily exhibit the same siddhi.

To assume that humans will progress to some point where all of them will
possess a certain siddhi is...not how it is structured or works. It is
not just evolution. This is a dream, remember?

>
> some high degree initiates who can't know either. I'd like to know
> what that point of evolution is, where 99% people become all-knowing
> of all on earth. Is that 3rd, 5th or 7th initiation? There must be
>

There is no such thing. Even at the highest levels the initiated
person/Guru/Master/Mahatma may not know All. Because All is just patterns
and patterning. We Westerners are under the illusion that All can be
known and examined in all certainty. And that there is some position we
can attain to that makes us Omnipotent or Omniscient (but Omniscient does
not mean that we KNOW what is exactly happening everywhere and when.)

> some "common siddhi" for every degree of intiate. I wonder what
> those might be? For example for the 3rd degree initiate, who has
> experienced "the light from above"?
>

Now there are some common siddhis, such as etheric vision and astral
vision, sure. But the rest are not necessarily common, such as
bilocation. Not every initiate will experience/have that particular
siddhi. It WILL manifest if there is a need for it. Otherwise, if there
is no predisposition for it or need for it...it won't. So there is no
yardstick you can really apply, and I feel that's what you're trying to
do.

js

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