Theos-Talk Archives (January 2001 Message tt00110)

Thursday, January 18, 2001

Dear Gene:

Thanks for your consideration of my tables -- which I see were
mangled in transmission -- at least the ones I received back here
were.

Your attempt to equate them or frame a notation with which you
work is interesting, also a bit puzzling as I think it might
serve to make the Theosophical more remote, and require an
intermediate key of a series of explanations to render it
understandable to the average seeker.

I am not familiar with the notations used commonly in higher
mathematics as used in our universities and advanced sciences to
be able to do any more than say : They are related to Logic, and
Logic in terms of derivation and usage I think I am able to
understand. I never needed placing a new series of symbols in
the place of the old ones, which you seem to grasp are related as
you do If that kind of notation is one you like to use or
devise, then do so, but always recall the relation you express is
based on the qualities ascribed to the old descriptions. It must
have a value for those who are starting in their own
self-education.

If one is able to see further, then the depth and breadth of such
vision ought to be made clearer to newbees rather than establish
a ledge where they have to learn something new -- then, someone
will say: Why was I not taught this at the beginning?

The bridge between levels of perception is not a CHANGE OF
CONSCIOUSNESS, but rather it is the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS which is
able to pass through the various planes and levels of thought and
memory, and because it is always UNALTERED, it is able to
correlate all levels of its experiences in its ONE MEMORY -- a
portion of the Akasa. ( see NOTES ON THE BHAGAVAD GITA, Judge --
pp. 98-101 relates to this and for me is most useful).

It is quite possible that some new notation may be needed by
those who desire to relate in their minds to some aspect of
evolution, and use those notations as a kind of short-cut. It is
also possible that the using of such a new set, may render the
explanations concerning Primal Evolution and the passage in
experience of the MONAD through the various ROUNDS, GLOBES,
RACES, SUB-RACES and FAMILY RACES as detailed in S.D. I 200 and
in other places like S.D. II 432-5 .

I imagine that the S.D. was written, and the notation adopted
there was devised to help the average interested student find his
way in terms of pre-history through the mazes of evolution. I
also imagine that simplification was intended, as that would
assist beginners to get the ideas of an ETERNAL PILGRIM (MONAD)
as it encountered its own "Karma" returning to it for adjustment
through the voyage of other ETERNAL PILGRIMS which carried
aspects of that Karma with them (they having been impressed
earlier).

Of course if we deny to the Higher Ego (Higher Manas or
Buddhi-Manas) immortality, then all this is nonsense. Probably
the over-view first given of the re-formation of galaxies, solar
systems, planets and our earth as the reincarnation of those
which had earlier existed and then gone into the "sleep and
dissolution" of a major Pralaya, was intended to show the
immutable nature of KARMA, which brings all beings of whatever
degree back into organized life from the chaotic mixture of the
"Monadic Essence (S.D. I 619) which was also called CHAOS,

To achieve this the great Buddhas, Dhyan Chohans participated in
causing the re-organization of the Evolutionary planes and
systems when the Cyclic time struck for their presence, guidance
of the UNIVERSAL PLAN (Karma) became necessary.

If in our minds we allow ourselves to keep on being limited to
the phenomena of our physical life, e will not be ale to build
the bridge of thought from this small plane of the experience and
memories of this life (in the waking state) to the far larger
ones of the growing work of the Universe, where each component is
an IMMORTAL, and is also working out its own evolution into a
Buddha, as a brother IMMORTAL among other Immortals, and where
the interaction has to be faithful, generous, and self-effacing.
These qualities (virtues) are for us the most difficult to
grasp -- but only the consideration of immortality enables us to
see the value of the idea of BROTHERHOOD and service to others,
as a total pre-requisite to any SPIRITUAL (VIRTUOUS) GAIN.

Do you have a copy of TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE for
reference ? Between pages 66 and 76 ULT Edition, and Blavatsky
Collected Works, Vol. 10, pp. 252 -263) will be found some
explanations of the relations between the two Egos in Man ( This
unusual condition is considered in the S.D., please refer to S.D.
II 87 167 186 246 254-5 275 619; S.D. I 105 130 210 267 574
619 ) The list of pages is long, but valuable psychological
information is given there. Apparently one of the "perfected
Monads" sacrifices its "position" in order to co-inhabit a
developing "physical form" where another Mind-Monad is employing
those qualities that will enable it to obtain that independence
of thought. This Perfection of harmless and generous thought
open the gates to the "Perfection" desired.
We all are at various stages along a common path which will
permit us to develop our own "Perfection" by our own self-induced
and self-devised choices.

The "elder Tutor" (or Higher Self) -- to use a bad phrase --
has the task of being only an OBSERVER and (on REQUEST from the
LOWER MANAS, an advisor) not a participant, or a director, in any
way, in the great struggle whereby a level of individual
Perfection is achieved over many incarnations by the
"Lower-Manasic" Ego (who is you and me as we are now in a
physical body and brain). This is why it is called a process of
self-initiation. I say this because the Wisdom (BUDDHI) is
within. We (the MIND) have to seek it, and use it, and only
virtue (purity of motive) enables this to done. Virtue demands a
knowledge of the laws of Nature and of ourselves, as Mind-men and
women. There is no "outside" Initiator, only the inner one, and
we have to access IT, and enable it to advise us how to work in
and through our personality. The personality does not blank
itself out of existence -- it cannot -- but as it grows milder
and obeys the great laws of unselfishness, it increases in power
and self-value in all ways. A sure knowledge of our immortality
is pivotal to this entire line of reasoning in regard to what we
can make of ourselves. It is never too late to begin.

Why call it self-initiation? Because all the potentials inherent
in every MONAD have to be, when the Mind-man stage is achieved,
grasped, analyzed, and understood in terms of their cooperative
relationship with the rest of Nature. The sense of being
isolated or a selfish attitude, which results in a position of
pride, dominance, authority, etc... has to be dropped, once that
one is able to see that those have only an illusory and short
term validity. Only the embodiment of universal and impartial
principles makes the Man-Mind a true and powerful-for-good
immortal.

See if this is of any use, and ask further, if you will,

Best wishes, as always,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Carpenter [mailto:Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:17 AM
To: theos-talk@egroups.com
Cc: Esoteric Science
Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: [bn-sd] Part 2 - Continuing with the
study: vol 1, p18-19 1, 2, 3, and 4

Please see below Dallas's comments.
>
>
> We may then say that we have as
>
> 0 ZERO the ABSOLUTE out of manifestation -- eternal BACKGROUND
>
> 1 ONE unmanifested potential Logos
>
> 1 ONE manifesting Logos -- the CENTRAL SPIRITUAL SUN which is
> everywhere
>
> 2 TWO SPIRIT-MATTER The 2 poles of the egg of manifestation
> (MONAD)
>
> 3 THREE MAHAT -- UNIVERSAL MIND, PLANNER, BUILDER, OBSERVER,
> the ETERNAL WITNESS and THE ETERNAL PILGRIM. (Our INNER,
> INDISSOLUBLE, ETERNAL CONSCIOUSNESS.
>
> The Mind in man as a "ray" of Mahat and being medial between
> Spirit and Matter, it is directly connected with the ABSOLUTE
and
> is alone able to perceive all the correlations, and variations
of
> the interplay of SPIRIT / MATTER during life.
>
>
> We may also say: ZERO is representative of the ABSOLUTE
>
> ONE represents ATMA (SPIRIT )
>
> TWO represents BUDDHI (PRIMORDIAL MATTER) or the
> accumulated Record and memory of all experiences.
> WISDOM also called MULAPRAKRITI or "Root Matter."
>
> THREE -- MIND (Manas) a "ray" from the Universal Mind with
> direct connections to the ABSOLUTE -- hence it is impartial
> and universal.
>
> Thus we have the
>
> ALL (ZERO) indescribable ABSOLUTENESS -- EVER UNCHANGED and
> EVER-PRESENT -- KARMA in the abstract
>
> ONE SPIRIT UNIVERSAL as a POTENTIAL -- KARMA as potential -
> harmony, balance
>
> TWO the MONAD -- SPIRIT/MATTER eternal, ever active, ever
> learning and experiencing
>
> THREE SUPERNAL TRIANGLE of the ABSOLUTE and SPIRIT and MATTER
>
> FOUR MANIFESTED TRIANGLE to which may be added
> MAHAT (universal Mind) The "cube" or "sacred FOUR").
>
> The Lower Quarternary represents the components of the
material,
> physical evolution.
>
> 1. Kama (DESIRES AND PASSIONS),
> 2. Prana (VITALITY),
> 3. Astral Body (electro-magnetic lattice work) and
> 4. Physical body.
>
> I hope this proves helpful,
>
> Dallas
>
>
Dallas,

"proves helpful" is an understatement. This is the very area I'm
trying so
hard to definitely understand as all the rest seems to follow and
these
initial understandings seem essential so that chaos doesn't
overwhelm us as
we proceed into the rest of the "Secret Doctrine". It seems that
there is a
pattern here. The first plane, Zero, "manifests" in the plane
below it.
Then that plane, One, "manifests" in the next plane below it.
Then that
plane, Two, "manifests" in the plane below it, etc. It even
seems that a
plane manifests subjectively in the next plane below it and
objectively
within the second plane below itself.

Using the planes as given in Theosophical discussions of the
rounds and
races(with globe A first manifesting on the fourth plane(buddhic)
from the
top, etc) I would like to demonstrate that the first three
sets(zero, one
and two) may hold a little secret to the organization of
Theosophical
thought.


A set of seven planes, corresponding with the cosmic planes,
Cosmic Logoic,
Cosmic Monadic, Cosmic Atmic, and so forth:


1. Logoic(systemic consciousness)
2. Monadic(within which manifests ZERO)(group consciousness,
planetary
consciousness)
3. Atmic(within which manifests UNITY)(Self consciousness)
4. Buddhic(within which manifests DUALITY)
5. Manasic(within which manifests TRINITY)
6. Emotional(Kamic, Comic? :-) )
7. Physical


Let's try this working with just the first three planes(states
of
consciousness) implying that they correspond to the first three
planes as
stated above:

1. Zero
2. One
3. Two

In set notation:


1. ( )

2. ( ( ) )

3. ( ( ), ( ( ) ) )


See how the first plane is ZERO and this zero is represented in
the second
plane. The second is ONE and this UNITY manifests in the third
plane(through contrast to the zero or ground of being) ??? huh?
huh?

1. Zero, unmanifested
2. Zero "manifesting", the ground of being, the absoluteness
within the
plane of UNITY
3. Unity "manifesting", the absolute, within the plane of DUALITY
through
it's contrast
to the ground of being.(and zero now able to manifest
objectively as a
point within an abstract space)

Sorry to reiterate, but this stuff is very very etheric!


1. The Potential Observer but no field of observation
2. The Potential Field of Observation
3. The Observer within and central to the Field of Observation


1. The potential mathematical point within the infinite space of
consciousness
2. The potential ring pass not or abstract space within the
infinite space
of consciousness
3. The central point within the ring pass not or abstract space
within the
infinite space
of consciousness

1. ( )

2. ( ( ) )

3. ( ( . ) )


and



The Ancients knew how to count:

The layer lines of the planes,


0.--------------------

1.--------------------

2.--------------------

3.--------------------



The first line is 0.

The second line is 1.

The third line is 2.

The third line is 3.



The spaces(planes or states of consciousness) would be the
intervals:


1. 0-1

2. 1-2

3. 2-3


Plane 2 would be called monadic because it is the plane beginning
with the
laya line, one, and it is the first plane with an entity, one
entity,
ABSOLUTENESS, the representation of the first plane.

Plane 3 would be the Atmic plane because here the Solar Logos,
the cosmic
atma, first appears as the central point, the central spiritual
sun, within
it's field of intelligent activity, it's ring pass not.


The following may or may not apply, but it seems intriging none
the less.
Let's brainstorm!



(concerning the abstract space called "phase space" by Poincare)

"In this multidimensional space, the entire solar system is
represented by
just a single point, rather than by the ten different ones(one
for the Sun
and nine others for the planets) in conventional three
dimensional space.
That is the power of this mathematical construct called "phase
space." No
matter how complex the situation, how convoluted the plot, how
baroque the
setting, regardless of the number of actors, a single point in
that abstract
space is sufficient to describe a system in its entirety." page
77-78 from-
Chaos and Harmony- by
Trinh Xuan Thuan, Oxford Univerity Press, 2001.


It seems that re-membering the zero is essential to the clarity
that can
occur when studying the thought of the Ancient One(s).

Gene