Theos-Talk Archives (January 2001 Message tt00109)

Please see below Dallas's comments.
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> We may then say that we have as
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> 0 ZERO the ABSOLUTE out of manifestation -- eternal BACKGROUND
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> 1 ONE unmanifested potential Logos
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> 1 ONE manifesting Logos -- the CENTRAL SPIRITUAL SUN which is
> everywhere
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> 2 TWO SPIRIT-MATTER The 2 poles of the egg of manifestation
> (MONAD)
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> 3 THREE MAHAT -- UNIVERSAL MIND, PLANNER, BUILDER, OBSERVER,
> the ETERNAL WITNESS and THE ETERNAL PILGRIM. (Our INNER,
> INDISSOLUBLE, ETERNAL CONSCIOUSNESS.
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> The Mind in man as a "ray" of Mahat and being medial between
> Spirit and Matter, it is directly connected with the ABSOLUTE and
> is alone able to perceive all the correlations, and variations of
> the interplay of SPIRIT / MATTER during life.
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> We may also say: ZERO is representative of the ABSOLUTE
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> ONE represents ATMA (SPIRIT )
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> TWO represents BUDDHI (PRIMORDIAL MATTER) or the
> accumulated Record and memory of all experiences.
> WISDOM also called MULAPRAKRITI or "Root Matter."
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> THREE -- MIND (Manas) a "ray" from the Universal Mind with
> direct connections to the ABSOLUTE -- hence it is impartial
> and universal.
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> Thus we have the
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> ALL (ZERO) indescribable ABSOLUTENESS -- EVER UNCHANGED and
> EVER-PRESENT -- KARMA in the abstract
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> ONE SPIRIT UNIVERSAL as a POTENTIAL -- KARMA as potential -
> harmony, balance
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> TWO the MONAD -- SPIRIT/MATTER eternal, ever active, ever
> learning and experiencing
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> THREE SUPERNAL TRIANGLE of the ABSOLUTE and SPIRIT and MATTER
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> FOUR MANIFESTED TRIANGLE to which may be added
> MAHAT (universal Mind) The "cube" or "sacred FOUR").
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> The Lower Quarternary represents the components of the material,
> physical evolution.
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> 1. Kama (DESIRES AND PASSIONS),
> 2. Prana (VITALITY),
> 3. Astral Body (electro-magnetic lattice work) and
> 4. Physical body.
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> I hope this proves helpful,
>
> Dallas
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>
Dallas,

"proves helpful" is an understatement. This is the very area I'm trying so
hard to definitely understand as all the rest seems to follow and these
initial understandings seem essential so that chaos doesn't overwhelm us as
we proceed into the rest of the "Secret Doctrine". It seems that there is a
pattern here. The first plane, Zero, "manifests" in the plane below it.
Then that plane, One, "manifests" in the next plane below it. Then that
plane, Two, "manifests" in the plane below it, etc. It even seems that a
plane manifests subjectively in the next plane below it and objectively
within the second plane below itself.

Using the planes as given in Theosophical discussions of the rounds and
races(with globe A first manifesting on the fourth plane(buddhic) from the
top, etc) I would like to demonstrate that the first three sets(zero, one
and two) may hold a little secret to the organization of Theosophical
thought.


A set of seven planes, corresponding with the cosmic planes, Cosmic Logoic,
Cosmic Monadic, Cosmic Atmic, and so forth:


1. Logoic(systemic consciousness)
2. Monadic(within which manifests ZERO)(group consciousness, planetary
consciousness)
3. Atmic(within which manifests UNITY)(Self consciousness)
4. Buddhic(within which manifests DUALITY)
5. Manasic(within which manifests TRINITY)
6. Emotional(Kamic, Comic? :-) )
7. Physical


Let's try this working with just the first three planes(states of
consciousness) implying that they correspond to the first three planes as
stated above:

1. Zero
2. One
3. Two

In set notation:


1. ( )

2. ( ( ) )

3. ( ( ), ( ( ) ) )


See how the first plane is ZERO and this zero is represented in the second
plane. The second is ONE and this UNITY manifests in the third
plane(through contrast to the zero or ground of being) ??? huh? huh?

1. Zero, unmanifested
2. Zero "manifesting", the ground of being, the absoluteness within the
plane of UNITY
3. Unity "manifesting", the absolute, within the plane of DUALITY through
it's contrast
to the ground of being.(and zero now able to manifest objectively as a
point within an abstract space)

Sorry to reiterate, but this stuff is very very etheric!


1. The Potential Observer but no field of observation
2. The Potential Field of Observation
3. The Observer within and central to the Field of Observation


1. The potential mathematical point within the infinite space of
consciousness
2. The potential ring pass not or abstract space within the infinite space
of consciousness
3. The central point within the ring pass not or abstract space within the
infinite space
of consciousness

1. ( )

2. ( ( ) )

3. ( ( . ) )


and



The Ancients knew how to count:

The layer lines of the planes,


0.--------------------

1.--------------------

2.--------------------

3.--------------------



The first line is 0.

The second line is 1.

The third line is 2.

The third line is 3.



The spaces(planes or states of consciousness) would be the intervals:


1. 0-1

2. 1-2

3. 2-3


Plane 2 would be called monadic because it is the plane beginning with the
laya line, one, and it is the first plane with an entity, one entity,
ABSOLUTENESS, the representation of the first plane.

Plane 3 would be the Atmic plane because here the Solar Logos, the cosmic
atma, first appears as the central point, the central spiritual sun, within
it's field of intelligent activity, it's ring pass not.


The following may or may not apply, but it seems intriging none the less.
Let's brainstorm!



(concerning the abstract space called "phase space" by Poincare)

"In this multidimensional space, the entire solar system is represented by
just a single point, rather than by the ten different ones(one for the Sun
and nine others for the planets) in conventional three dimensional space.
That is the power of this mathematical construct called "phase space." No
matter how complex the situation, how convoluted the plot, how baroque the
setting, regardless of the number of actors, a single point in that abstract
space is sufficient to describe a system in its entirety." page 77-78 from-
Chaos and Harmony- by
Trinh Xuan Thuan, Oxford Univerity Press, 2001.


It seems that re-membering the zero is essential to the clarity that can
occur when studying the thought of the Ancient One(s).

Gene