Theos-Talk Archives (January 2001 Message tt00075)

Friday, January 12, 2001

Thank you Adelasie:

So far the only adverse reactions have been from those who think
H.P.B., Masters and Theosophy ought to be treated publicly like
any political and personal historical account -- and they seem to
think there is something necessary in this publishing of what
amounts to gossip -- to attempt to tear down in some way the view
we have of a responsible, honest, constructive, and benevolent
attempt to get humanity to study their origins, and their
religious and moral philosophies -- and apply to them the
independent power of individual common sense. This is the
objective of THEOSOPHY and the message that H.P.B. brought from
the Lodge of the ADEPTS.

The valuable part of it is that it offers a cohesive view of our
Universe, world and ourselves -- as a cooperative actively
engaged in perfecting their powers and knowledge. It is
brotherhood in action. It demonstrates that ANY HUMAN MIND, IF
IT WILLS, CAN SURMOUNT ANY AND ALL OBSTACLES. Generosity and
benevolence, tolerance and universal love are the bonds that bind
the WHOLE into ONE.

They seem to think (these detractors), that because no defence
can normally be made by the individuals who are attacked, they
have somehow acquired the right to say anything they please
concerning them, with, or without proofs. They are not committed
to looking for the TRUTH and giving fair play (a level field, and
equal time) to opposing views and proofs. This is all I want to
make obvious.

Fairness to the MASTERS and to H.P.B. demands this as a minimum,
so that readers will be able to read and decide for themselves.

I think that Theosophy as a philosophy and a historical statement
of the scientific work of the great ADEPTS in all departments of
Nature, and the evolution of all beings (including Man) ought to
be spread out clearly for all to see and decide on.

The original writings of Theosophy go a long way to proving this,
and scientific discoveries since that time of publication, during
the last 100 years go to show the validity of statements (and
observations on the laws of Nature) made there over THOUSANDS and
MILLIONS of years. After all, Nature (the Universe) contains
everything, and has it very well integrated and balanced through
all encompassing KARMA. As scientific investigators we are
discovering and investigating those workings. And proving the
validity of the WISDOM RELIGION -- the Eternal Doctrine.

I consider it a necessary duty to make this clear, regardless of
any consequences.


What do we have as evidence:

1. the MAHATMA LETTERS, (On facts and the process of
self-evolution morally)

2. H.P.B.'s LETTERS TO A. P. SINNETT (and others)

3. THE SECRET DOCTRINE (On metaphysics and Evolution)

4. THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE (On ethical excellence)

5. ISIS UNVEILED (On the records of many religious
philosophies and the prevalence of mysterious
forces which are non-physical. It is a glossary of the Occult.]

6. THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY (On essential and practical
Theosophy)

7. THE EXTRAORDINARY INFLUENCE OF ELENA BLAVATSKY (H.P.B.)
by
Sylvia Cranston [ TARCHER/PUTNAM 1993 ]
A documentary biography of H.P.B. )

8. THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT : 1875 - 1950 (A
documentary history.)

9. THEOSOPHY IN THE 19TH CENTURY -- An Annotated
Bibliography by Michael Gomes [GARLAND PUBLISHING,
New York/London 1994] (On available documents, and source
material available for first hand study.)

10. H.P.B.'s ARTICLES and LETTERS published in
BLAVATSKY: COLLECTED WRITINGS [Theosophical
Publishing House, in 15 volumes. Also:
BLAVATSKY ARTICLES in 3 Vols. published by THEOSOPHY
COMPANY, Los Angeles]

11. Original copies of the magazines THEOSOPHIST, PATH,
LUCIFER (1879 to date )

This original or well documented and annotated literature is all
that is needed by a student to make up their own minds. There is
no need for opinions voiced and published by "Authorities" unless
they also refer to corresponding sources for comparison in the
ORIGINAL WRITINGS.

I understand that Prof. John Cooper of Australia was in the
process of editing in 2 volumes H.P.B.'s LETTERS and the first
volume is ready for printing. The second volume is being edited
for him as his recent death interrupted this work.

Best wishes to you,

As always,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: adelasie [mailto:adelasie@thegrid.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 8:03 AM
To: theos-talk@egroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Enemies == Where, Who ? FACTS ?

Dear Dallas,

I want to thank you for your valiant and faithful defense of HPB
and
the Masters. We who accept and study the principles of
Theosophy, and find that they provide us with the way to
understand the meaning of life, and the tools to learn to live as
responsible human beings, may find it difficult to realize that
others
do not accept these teachings, and feel they must try to disprove
them. But we can remember that on the plane of forces, the
Disintegrator always tries to destroy any accomplishments of
humanity which lead to Consciousness of the Unity of All Life. We
can see that those who take it upon themselves to ridicule HPB
and her work, and worse, to make it seem somehow sinister, are
only the tools of that destructive force. Humanity is in a
crucial
cycle in its evolution right now. We stand to make some great
gains
in the evolution of consciousness, and therefore these forces of
destruction work all the harder to try to prevent the realization
of
such gains. But the battle is already won. Darkness cannot
prevail.
Our job is to reflect the inner Light to the best of our ability,
and
your messages in defense of the Great Teachers are strong beams
of that Light of Truth and Compassion. Usually this is a
thankless
job, given the limitations of the material plane, where all must
be
revealed and brought to manifestation. But please know that there
are many who recognize the loyalty and devotion that motivates
such defense, and who support such efforts.

Sincerely,
Adelasie

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On 11 Jan 01, at 5:46, dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:

> Wednesday, January 10, 2001
>
>
> Dear Maureen, and others who have inquired into my PROTEST.
>
>
> Kindly let me say I am no one's enemy. I do not care for the
> concept.
>
> But I believe it is only fair to all of us and to those whom I
> consider have been attacked, to FIND and lay the FACTS out for
> all to see, and thus enable them to make their own judgments
> thereon. Half a proposition, unless fully supported , is what
I
> object to. I propose that we focus on what is whole, shows
both
> sides and is available and valuable to all.
>
>
> I ask simply that one-sided attacks on Personages who are now
> unable to respond , be refrained from.
>
> Instead of fault-seeking and fault-finding why not spend energy
> on verification of what has been offered: THEOSOPHY ? Is
> Theosophy wrong in concept, in motive, in doctrine and in
> history?
>
> One-sided attacks to which it may be presumed no answer can be
> made by the party/parties attacked, is hardly fair in any era I
> can think of.
>
> Let the actual balance of pros and cons be offered. What
strikes me
> as strange is the search and the publication of unproven
gossip about
> personalities, and not the verification of a Philosophy. It
seems to
> me to be a deliberate diverting of study, investigation and
opinion
> away from a study of ongoing value (Theosophy) to a
consideration of
> the nature of the character of one or several, who in the
period
> 1875-1891, worked to see that it became public -- and open for
> individuals to study. I wonder why that should be so? Is the
> philosophy of Theosophy right or wrong? Should we continue to
work
> with it or disprove it? What has OUR own study so far
revealed?
>
> This enables readers to start with a more complete picture. I
> have tried to point to this deficiency. Mr. Daniel Caldwell
> has already gone thoroughly into the matter and published
> excellent and comprehensive reviews of it. The book: "THE
> THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT: 1875-1950" gives an even broader base.
I can
> only say that I have verified as many of the facts, and
documents, as
> have so far come to my attention -- and that is most of them so
far
> advanced. I write and speak from that point of view. I have
also
> given my sources, so all who are interested can also verify
them.
>
>
> Of Mr. Johnson, I asked (and ask) for facts. From my own
> research he appears to have none that are have much, if any,
> validity. I have told him this long ago after his book was
first
> published, in 1994. [ In my recent protest I made an error
saying it
> was published in "1944."]
>
>
> All I say is that with a very intimate knowledge of India and
its
> people; and having the advantage of a span of some 35+ years of
actual
> residence in India; and also, and having a very deep and
respectful
> interest in THEOSOPHY; and an equally deep respect for HPB and
the
> MASTERS OF WISDOM, I have not found Mr. Johnson's writings
relevant,
> or congruent with facts known in the Punjab and elsewhere in
the
> official archives or in other archives publicly available.
However,
> since I might also be wrong in my surmises, when his book was
> published (and I read it), I asked him to advance them (his
facts),
> and I am still waiting for a satisfactory answer that would
serve to
> reconcile the differences I have observed in his writings..
>
>
> There is no reason why you (or anyone else so deeply
interested), not
> also go to India and trace down what is claimed by him. View
the
> documents in the British Museum, and in India which relate to
this
> subject. Probe the historical literature in Theosophical
Society
> archives, and elsewhere, which are relevant to these matters.
The
> papers relative to the matter of Theosophy (1880-1891), and
relating
> to H.P.B. and Col. Olcott's residence and work in India, Europe
and
> England are in the official Government archives of those days,
and can
> be viewed.
>
>
> I have lived in India for over 35 years. I was educated there
> and have many friends there. I have carefully looked into
> matters such as these (at first hand) over a long period, since
I was
> a youth. I recognize that my "say-so" is no more valid than
Mr.
> Johnson's (to a third party) and, unless others, independently
> research the matter he has advanced, it remains unsettled and a
matter
> of opinions which flit in and out, and are themselves quite
> unsubstantial. Third party opinions are and will remain only
that:
> opinions -- until some additional research and evidence is
uncovered
> and made public.
>
>
> I do object most strenuously on moral grounds, to the dragging
of the
> names and reputations of the MASTERS and H.P.B. in the mud of
public
> and uninformed sensationalism. Therefore I considered it my
duty to
> offer the PROTEST I make and made. Let me be clear: It is on
behalf
> of those individuals who either cannot or will not defend
themselves
> publicly.
>
> As for THEOSOPHY, one need only study it as a whole, completely
> and impartially, to verify its value.
>
> As I see it, it is a history of our Earth and its evolution,
not
> produced as a speculation or an hypothesis, but it is derived
> from the direct OBSERVATION of those who have participated in
all
> aspects of that research and development -- ourselves as
immortal
> Intelligences -- if we accept the possibility of personal
> IMMORTALITY, and of the general and progressive evolution of
all
> beings living in NATURE (the Universe).
>
> The consideration of the philosophical and logical basis for
the
> Theosophical philosophy is germane to my PROTEST. The totality
> of all evolution -- every being -- an immortal intelligence,
ever
> growing in self-consciousness, living under the universal and
> impartial LAW of KARMA in many FORMS on Earth (reincarnation),
and the
> UNIFYING CAUSE of final and individual PERFECTIBILITY in WISDOM
> coupled with the continuous practice of BROTHERHOOD, are the
> qualifying distinctions of the practice of Theosophy. [ see
KEY TO
> THEOSOPHY p. 231 Original Edition ].
>
> "Nature" (our Earth as a part of the UNIVERSAL TOTALITY)
> contains all, and is the on-going field of investigation and
> research of every department of modern Science, philosophy,
> religion and psychology. Theosophy (as I study it) has so far
> shown itself to be their base. It is eclectic and unites them
> all into one.
>
>
> A PROTEST is not an attack, but is a request for independent
> investigation. It says that there are different views and
> opinions. It asks for "equal time," and, or the producing of
> evidence that supports an allegation. Let the individual(s)
who
> advance such, provide it. I have provided a public source for
> the documentary base that is available to all of us.
>
>
> I do draw attention to the living proofs enshrined in
THEOSOPHY.
> Those who have studied them are able to determine the validity
> (or otherwise) of those doctrines and statements.
>
> It is clear that I am a protagonist for THEOSOPHY and show a
very deep
> respect for THOSE who brought it to us to read, study and apply
(if we
> are convinced it is useful and valid). The important thing is
that
> THEOSOPHY and its doctrines ought to be looked into most
carefully
> with a view to finding out if there is any truth there.
Opinions
> which do not embody at least a modicum of research will of
course be
> vapory.
>
>
> I hope this is of some value in clearing the air and my
personal
> motives in protesting.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Dallas TenBroeck
>
>