Re: Jesus: Another side of the story
Oct 19, 2000 09:33 PM
--- In email@example.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
I've encountered this letter before by the learned rabbi. He writes:
If Jesus was not an historical person, where did the whole New
Testament story come from in the first place? The Hebrew name
for Christians has always been Notzrim. This name is derived
from the Hebrew word neitzer, which means a shoot or
sprout--an obvious Messianic symbol. There were already
people called Notzrim at the time of Rabbi Yehoshua ben
Perachyah (c. 100 B.C.E.). Although modern Christians claim
that Christianity only started in the first century C.E., it is clear
the first century Christians in Israel considered themselves to be
a continuation of the Notzri movement which had been in
existence for about 150 years. One of the most notorious Notzrim
was Yeishu ben Pandeira, also known as Yeishu ha-Notzri.
Talmudic scholars have always maintained that the story of
Jesus began with Yeishu. The Hebrew name for Jesus has
always been Yeishu and the Hebrew for "Jesus the Nazarene"
has always been "Yeishu ha-Notzri." (The name Yeishu is a
shortened form of the name Yeishua, not Yehoshua.) It is
important to note that Yeishu ha-Notzri is not an historical Jesus
since modern Christianity denies any connection between Jesus
and Yeishu and moreover, parts of the Jesus myth are based on
other historical people besides Yeishu.
Bart I was wondering if you subscribe to the argument of the
source you cited that Jesus derived from Yeishu ben Pandeira. If
so, then as with Mead you agree Jesus could have been Yeishu
The learned Rabbi's argument that "It is important to note that
Yeishu ha-Notzri is not an historical Jesus since modern
Christianity denies any connection between Jesus and Yeishu
and moreover, parts of the Jesus myth are based on other
historical people besides Yeishu."
Why would he say that? Who cares ultimately what "modern
Christianity" says? either he was or not. If Jesus derived from
ben Pandeira he was ergo historical.
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