Theos-Talk Archives (June 2000 Message tt00209)

Dear Leon,

You are a most beauty-filled thinker and writer.  What you have written
seems elegant and gorgious.

I have learned that the exoteric is personality stuff and the esoteric is
transpersonality stuff.  It seems to me that the Gospel of the New
Testament, though changed and edited and censored, etc is still a great
spiritual document and very very theosophic/Platonic in it's information.
It seems to be the story of an idealistic and devoted man who goes through
all the initiations from the first through the fourth(the crucifixtion or
renunciation) all the while overshadowed by the Christ(or the one with full
planetary group  consciousness) who  takes a higher initiation during this
process.  But.  See.  Here one gets into information that is given to one by
the Bailey books and is not valued by many on this list.  Each must be able
to think freely and gradually understand in one's own way.

Anyway your understanding seems deep and so very well thought out.  Who am I
to argue?  I'm very glad that we each search our Souls for the light and
express that knowledge to each other with love and understanding.  It is all
much ado about NOTHING, exquisitely so.

Gene


-----Original Message-----
From: LeonMaurer@aol.com <LeonMaurer@aol.com>
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: About Christianity


>
>In a message dated 06/25/00 1:24:29 PM, ecarpent@co.la.ca.us writes:
>
>>True.  There is exoteric- personality- dominated- Christian- Churchianity
>>and there is the esoteric- love- dominated- true Christian- faith.  This
>>is true in all the great religions.
>
>No disagreement here... Although not entirely true of the "Wisdom Religion"
>which is the greatest of all, and has no exoteric, personality dominated
>teachings -- of which Jesus, The Christ, was in perfect agreement with.
>
>>The new testament doesn't seem to teach re-incarnation as it is an
esoteric
>>text and teaches from Christ's point of view, and outside of his parables
>>to the masses, is targeted toward disciples of love.  Re-incarnation is
true
>>from the exoteric personality point of view but not true from the esoteric
>>inner Christ Soul point of view.  The Soul is Eternal.  Personalities,
>>little appearances on the world stage, come and go.  One eternal
Individual
>>is appearing with difference masks on the world stage from time to time.
>>The exoteric and esoteric points of view can be harmonized.  Each is
correct
>>from the proper perspective and from the proper motive and sincere heart.
>>This is my opinion only, of course, not a proclamation of truth.  That's
>>beyond me.
>
>Of course, you are entitled to your opinion.  But what you say makes little
>sense from a theosophical point of view.  The new Testament is not
"esoteric"
>-- since the esoteric knowledge upon which Jesus' based his sermons were
>never given out in its edited and doctored printed versions.  In fact, as
an
>exoteric, man made document based on the hearsay reports of only a few of
>Jesus disciples (with much contradictory apocrypha left out) there are no
>esoteric or hidden occult teachings in it at all (discounting the
euphemistic
>and completely misunderstood "Revelations" of John).  You can't have your
>cake and eat it, too.
>
>There can be only one correct view of reincarnation and karma -- which is
>based on the immutable laws of the universe that stem out of the Divine,
>Absolute "Oneness" or "Beness" (Ein Soph, Parabrahm), or the "real"
>unknowable, unexplainable and impersonal "Godhead" -- along with the
>"Fundamental Principles" that govern ALL of its manifestations, involutions
>and evolutions -- which Jesus never spoke about except by inference, as
>parables, or as conclusive recommendations or observations reported as "eye
>witnesses" by his esoterically ignorant disciples... Nor did he demonstrate
>these truths, other than as unexplained, so called "miracles" -- (which
were
>really based on the true knowledge of the correlation of natural, occult
>forces and energies and their associative "Siddhis" or psychic powers known
>to all "Self realized" or "enlightened" Adepts and Masters).  Jesus even
said
>-- speaking as the direct reflection of the Supreme Spirit, or "I am ThAT I
>am" (as God or THAT Spiritual consciousness identified itself to Moses) --
"I
>AM the Way, the Light and the Truth"... Referring to the Spiritual Soul or
>higher SELF within us all... While he told his disciples that they must
pray t
>o THAT God in "private," and that even they could perform his miracles once
>they realized their true nature as being identical to his own -- as well as
>to THAT God's.
>
>Also, Jesus didn't always speak in parables, since he told the Rabbis --
who
>asked him how he became so knowledgeable in the "Law" as a "Scribe" -- that
>it was learned from his "father in Heaven" (referring to the dead Joseph,
at
>whose feet he worked as a carpenter) -- who orally passed on to him the
Torah
>(laws)... As is done by every father to his sons in the ancient Hebraic
>tradition of oral teachings... And, as is still done, to this very day, in
>the most traditionally pure and kabbalistically knowledgeable Hebrew
>families.
>
>According to the esoteric Brahmanic, Kabbalistic and Theosophical
teachings,
>the "individualized soul" is not eternal (when we speak of the personalized
>"soul," (Rauch) as Manas linked to the lower, animal nature -- as the OT
>apparently assumes). It is only the "higher soul" or Self (Nephesh) that is
>eternal.  This is another example of the confusion that Christianity has
>engendered in its followers, along with its other mistaken dogmas based on
>misinterpretation of the esoteric Hebrew Kabbalistic, Theosophical, or
>"Divine Wisdom" -- which IS the whole "truth" when correctly comprehended.
>
>However, this does not, in any way, contradict or deny the value and truth
of
>the "Heart Doctrine" as taught by the Rebbe Yeshua (Jesus), or the esoteric
>teachings of reincarnation and karma given directly to his disciples, and
>confirmed by his statements quoted in the NT, as well as by the teachings
in
>the OT (or Talmud) -- which he thoroughly understood... But, that were
later
>distorted by the "Christian Church" founders and its "God annointed" ruling
>Kings, into their pernicious anathemas and false interpretations leading to
>the dogmas of vicarious atonement, resurrection, heaven, hell, a personal,
>vengeful God, the separate Devil or Satan, the denial of reincarnation and
>karma, etc.
>
>(To understand Jesus' acceptance of reincarnation, read (with discriminatve
>understanding): Matt. 11:10,14, 15; Matt.16:13,14,15; St. John 17:5;
Malachi
>4:5).  Yeshua's understanding of karma is too obvious from his fundamental
>moral and ethical teachings to even refer to any specific biblical
references
>other than, "Figs from thistles don't grow," and "As you sow, so shall you
>reap", etc.
>
>It's the Monad, the "spiritual soul" alone -- composed of higher,
irrational
>or intuitive Manas, linked through Buddhi to the Atma, the Spirit in man,
the
>true Christos (which, as a "ray" of the Supreme Spirit, is identical to it)
>-- that is eternal.  But, that Spiritual Self has nothing to do with the
>"personality" or temporary existences of the animalized, "personal soul,"
the
>"illusory" self, or lower nature -- who makes the karma (whether ignorantly
>or intentionally) and which,  governed by the fundamental and immutable
laws
>of universal justice based on cause and effect, cycles and periodicity, and
>mediated by the influential interpenetration of the holographic
>information-carrying, seven fold, "coadunate but not consubstantial"
>spiritual and material energy fields -- forces the spiritual Soul or higher
>Self to pay the piper, so to speak... As a direct karmic result of the
>ignorance, or the malicious intent of the false "animal soul" (that the
>Christians falsely say has only "one life in the body" before it is judged
by
>the Christian God, and is either punished or rewarded by Him).
>
>Therefore, there is no need, and indeed, no rationale, scientifically,
>philosophically, or otherwise, for a priest invented, anthropomorphized
>"personal God" to punish us for our sins in the "eternal fires of hell."
>Karma, through the equal and opposite reactive power of cyclic law, takes
>care of that all by itself.  Thus, "Vengeance is mine says the Lord" is a
>perfectly true statement -- provided we substitute for the English word
>"Lord" the word "Law" (which is the real meaning and translation of the
>original Hebrew).  Also, we might ask, if there were such a supposed, all
>powerful, and humanly vengeful "being" (pictured in many Christian's
>conceptions as a "male" with a long beard) that "created Man in his own
>image" -- who or what "created" Him?  And, if He (Jehovah) is such an all
>pervading purveyor of "Goodness" and "Love," where did the similarly
>personalized "Satan" or the "Devil" come from?
>
>Therefore, it follows, that so long as that "personal" soul, or lower self
>remains in ignorance of its true nature, it is obligated -- by the force of
>the "skandas", or reactive karmic tendencies it alone creates –- to impel
its
>spiritual partner, the higher Self or spiritual soul, to reincarnate and
pay
>the piper, so to speak, in incarnated human suffering -- with no conscious
>memory of its past "sins" -- until all the injustices, imbalances, and
>disharmonies (that it's illusory animalized and ignorant counterpart
>inadvertently or intentionally created) have been compensated for, balanced
>and harmonized.  That is the real meaning of "God's justice" and the
purpose
>of reincarnation. To fully understand this, I suggest you carefully study
>William Q. Judge's "Aphorisms on Karma."
>
>But, all is not hopeless for such temporarily "lost souls"... And
>reincarnation need not be an individually uncontrolled, automatic
process...
>Since, the Spiritual Self -- once freed of its karma by elimination of its
>animal soul's ignorance through the gaining of spiritual knowledge and
>wisdom, along with the realization that it is the one and only Self of all,
>and by reversing all of its lower nature's impure motives by sincerely
vowing
>to correctly follow the pure "Heart Doctrine" as taught by Yeshua (as well
as
>Guatama, the Buddha) , or the "path" of "altruism" taught by theosophy --
can
>then transcend its past karma... Either by selfishly entering Nirvana and
>escaping rebirth in this Manvantara, or, with the realization that "the
Self
>of one is the Self of all" -- by accepting the role of a "Bodhisattva," and
>continuing to help and teach others, while practicing "universal
>brotherhood," for as many incarnations it takes to resolve all the harm
>caused by its former "separateness." (Due to the selfish, desire driven
>intent, or "sins," of all its individualized lower selves, in direct
>violation or ignorance of their common higher Self consciousness, or
>conscience, and without understanding of the immutable workings of karmic
>law.)
>
>Each such Bodhisattva (and there could be many of them "waking up" and
"born
>again" every day), is the true meaning of the "return of the Christ"
>incarnate.  When all of us have reached that stage of enlightenment, is
when
>the "Universal Brotherhood" of all mankind will have been achieved.  But,
all
>we can do now is become the "nucleus" of such a brotherhood.  This is the
>primary goal of the Theosophical Movement, that transcends all religions,
and
>synthesizes their commonly rooted fundamental truths into one "Wisdom
>religion."  That is why "a true theosophist" considers  him/herself "a
member
>of no cult or sect, but a member of each and all"... And, whose "end in
view"
>is to attain "a truer realization of the Self" so as to be "better able to
>help and teach others," as well as to become a "nucleus of Universal
>Brotherhood," with a true understanding of the "Fundamental Principles" and
>their underlying and immutable "Laws of Universal Nature," or Karma, that
>leads inadvertently to reincarnation, in order to fulfill the true God's
>"impersonal" justice.
>
>I hope that this clarifies a bit further the real nature of God, its Divine
>justice, the lower self, the higher Self, and their dual souls, and serves
as
>some "food for thought" for us to chew on.
>
>LHM
>
>
>
>
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