Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00344)

Peter Merriott wrote:

 And the 'fe' you were talking about,... how do you see that as similar to
'phi'?

HPB, at least once, said that everything could be reduced to various
combinations of number, color and sound.  When sounded out, these two do have
some similarity.  A stretch to be sure.  But consider this:

Life = (Li) + (Fe)

In the Encyclopedia of Physics  one finds that Lithium (Li) is sometimes used
as a cooling agent in nuclear reactors.  Attachment occurs when iron (Fe) comes
in contact with a magnet.  Magnets have to do with attraction, attraction with
desire.  So one asks the question, "Why the word 'life' to describe the process
we call life?"  Why wasn't it called broccoli or something?  Are there clues in
the word itself?  Lithium, Iron.  Everywhere, in almost every tradition one
reads something to the effect that, if one wants to give the iron (Fe) shackles
or chains in one's life, opportunities abound.  Most involve dumping or
combating the attachments, the Iron (Fe) as manifested in the Universe by Phi,
with light and/or some idea of God or the Good.

Good comes from the Sanskrit word 'gadh' meaning, "to fit."  Gadh, when sounded
out, bears a striking resemblance to God which also sounds similar to 'ght.'

Give up the iron in ones life, the (Fe).  Relax into the good, pronounced gadh,
and your life will be light.  After all, "Life is light..."

Spencer





>
> Thanks also for the qoutes.  I particularly like the one from Ramana
> Maharshi:
>
> "We see what we want to see.  Eliminate
> the want and we see things as they are."
>
> and the one from HPB
>
> "Time is the succession of states of consciousness........"
>
> ...Peter
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
> > [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer
> > Sent: 27 May 2000 16:32
> > To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Fundamental theosohical principles and their
> > relationship toscience.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter Merriott wrote:
> >
> >  What then is the figure for 'fe' that makes it similar to 'phi'?
> >
> > Phi is the result of employing what is commonly known as The
> > Golden Mean, The
> > Golden Section, The Golden Proportion, The Divine Proportion.
> > Consider any
> > aspect of the manifested Universe, anything available on, in or under the
> > space-time continuum umbrella.  There is a point at which one may
> > divide this
> > aspect such that the ratio of the whole to the larger section is
> > equal to the
> > ratio of the larger piece to the smaller piece.  In other words,
> > if one has
> > line A and it is divided in sections B and C, then A/B = B/C.
> > This also finds
> > its representation in the number series represented by the
> > equation, a + b = c,
> > where the next number in the series is equal to the sum of the
> > previous two
> > numbers.  If we begin with 0 and 1, the series proceeds as follows:
> >
> > 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, ...
> >
> > As one proceeds out into the series, 8/13 =13/21 = 21/34 = 34/55 = 55/89 =
> > 89/144.
> >
> > The constant these ratios are tending toward is known as phi,
> > approximately
> > 1.618 if expanding, or .618 if contracting.
> >
> > 34 * 1.6182 = approximately 55.
> >
> > 144 * .6182 = approximately 89.
> >
> > This constant, phi, can be seen nearly anywhere one cares to look
> > in the world
> > of matter.  It shows up in flower petal arrangements, seed patterns on
> > pinecones and sunflowers, underlying such human structures as the
> > Parthenon and
> > the Pyramids in Egypt.  One could even take a picture of the human brain,
> > construct a rectangle around it so that the edges of the brain touch the
> > rectangle and, beginning at the front, moving from left to right, make a
> > division at the Golden Section.  Then, moving from top to bottom along the
> > smaller piece make another division at the smaller piece.
> > Continue doing so in
> > alternating fashion and, eventually one has a spiral.  Where does
> > it lead?  The
> > end is in the beginning.
> >
> > "Desiring one may see the manifestations."           Lao Tzu
> >
> > "We must always remember that we are on
> > the receiving end of the optic nerve."
> > Robert Oppenheimer
> >
> > "We see what we want to see.  Eliminate
> > the want and we see things as they are."                  Ramana Maharshi
> >
> > "Knowing the beginning of time as the thread of Tao."        Lao Tzu
> >
> > "Time is the succession of states of consciousness........"            HPB
> >
> > It's interesting to note that when certain materials are cooled
> > to temperatures
> > approaching absolute zero the result is superconductivity.  How to
> > superconduct?  Detach.
> >
> > e = mc^2
> >
> > Get rid of the 'matter' and one perhaps have the experience of c^2.
> >
> > And, Bart, just for fun:
> >
> > e = mc^2
> >
> > 4 = 0 + (2 * 2) =4
> >
> > Spencer
> >
> > "Desireless one may behold the mystery."              Lao Tzu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In your last post likening 'phi' to a bag of diamonds you added (perhaps
> >
> > > with the notion of magnetism in mind?) "Phi can be looked at one way as
> > > evidence of attachment."
> > >
> > > It led me to wonder whether 'phi' is about getting 'things' in
> > proportion,
> > > some kind of balance.  Perhaps too, magnetism could be seen in
> > two ways - as
> > > you say it has to do with attraction, but perhaps there is also another
> > > underlying attraction in the Universe which brings everything back to
> > > 'balance' or the 'zero' state.  Karma could be considered in
> > this context.
> > >
> > > Just playing with the ideas, as I sense you are too.
> > >
> > > ...Peter
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer
> > > > Sent: 27 May 2000 02:08
> > > > To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Fundamental theosohical principles and their
> > > > relationship toscience.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unless I am mistaken, it was Kepler who likened the Divine
> > > > Proportion (phi) to a
> > > > bag of diamonds.  He also likened the Pythagorean Theorem to a
> > > > bag of gold.  Phi
> > > > can be looked at one way as evidence of attachment.
> > > >
> > > > Spencer
> > > >
> > > > Spencer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If I said pi I apologize.  I meant phi, the Other constant.
> > > > One might think of
> > > > > it as pi manifesting.  As for the numbers, you're on the right
> > > > track; a = 0, u
> > > > > = 0 and m = 0.  Like I said, it probably means nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Spencer
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter Merriott wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Spencer,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What base are you using to translate letters into numbers? I
> > > > can see, at
> > > > > > least I think I can, that you are using a=0, b=1, c=2 etc.
> > > > But how does L=2
> > > > > > if you are going from 0 to 9 repeatedly?   Could you also say
> > > > in what sense
> > > > > > iron 'fe' resembles pi?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: owner-theos-talk@THEOSOPHY.COM
> > > > > > > [mailto:owner-theos-talk@THEOSOPHY.COM]On Behalf Of Spencer
> > > > > > > Sent: 26 May 2000 15:10
> > > > > > > To: theos-talk@THEOSOPHY.COM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Fundamental theosohical principles
> > > > and their
> > > > > > > relationship toscience.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Truth = 9 + 7 + 0 + 9 + 7 = 32 = 3 + 2 = 5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Light = 2 + 8 + 6 + 7 + 9 = 32 = 3 + 2 = 5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Buddha = 1 + 0 + 3 + 3 + 7 + 0 = 1 + 4 = 5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nature = 3 + 0 + 9 + 0 + 7 + 4 = 23 = 2 + 3 = 5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Be-ness = 1 + 4 + 3 + 4 + 8 + 8 = 28 = 2 + 8 = 10
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meaningful?  I don't know.  Meaningless?  Perhaps.  It's
> > > > probably nothing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Life = 2 + 8 + 5 + 4 = 19 = 1 + 9 = 10
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Suffering = 8 + 0 + 5 + 5 + 4 + 7 + 8 + 3 + 6 = 46 = 4 + 6 = 10
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Life is suffering.                 Gautama Buddha
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Life = suffering.                  Mathematical
> > translation of 'is'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Life = sufring   (fe)             Associative Property
> > of Equality
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Life = surfing   (fe)             Commutative Property
> > of Equality
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Life = surfing   (Fe)            Periodic Table symbol for Iron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Iron attaches to a magnet.  (Fe) bears a striking
> > resemblance to the
> > > > > > > mathematical constant, phi.
> > > > > > > What does any of this mean, if anything?
> > > > > > > Practice detachment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Spencer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To set the record a bit straighter for those who read these
> > > > > > > numerological
> > > > > > > > dialogues and who are not overly fascinated by apparently
> > > > > > > mystical numbers
> > > > > > > > that  -- while in many cases reflective of occult processes --
> > > > > > > are sometimes
> > > > > > > > presented and taken totally out of context... Consider
> > > > the following.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Without showing the logical basis of such numbers and
> > > > their cabalistic
> > > > > > > > reductions -- with direct reference to and
> > correlation with the
> > > > > > > nonlinear
> > > > > > > > cyclic and spherical forces ("music of the spheres") from
> > > > which they
> > > > > > > > originate and reflect -- could be entirely superficial as well
> > > > > > > as meaningless
> > > > > > > > and misleading to most serious students of occult or esoteric
> > > > > > > theosophy --
> > > > > > > > especially, beginners.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The "why" and "how" in these teachings and understandings
> > > > are as equally
> > > > > > > > important as the "what" and "wherefor."  The I Ching is a good
> > > > > > > example of
> > > > > > > > this, since its  numbers and their relationships are
> > > > simply a symbolic
> > > > > > > > reflection of the esoteric teachings given out in its
> > > > > > > commentaries, and have
> > > > > > > > no fundamental meaning in themselves -- except to serve
> > > > as an symbolic
> > > > > > > > mathematical or geometric tool linking the objective
> > questioner
> > > > > > > indirectly
> > > > > > > > with the subjectivity of the oracle -- whose metaphoric
> > > > > > > pronouncements, as
> > > > > > > > translated by the ancient Chinese Taoist philosophers, still
> > > > > > > requires, for
> > > > > > > > proper interpretation, a profound and intuitive knowledge of
> > > > > > > the spherical
> > > > > > > > and multidimnsional "tai-chi" forms of primal energy
> > fields and
> > > > > > > the nonlinear
> > > > > > > > laws and relationships of their cycles and periodicities
> > > > that require
> > > > > > > > nonlinear forms of mathematical geometries -- yet to be fully
> > > > > > > understood or
> > > > > > > > codified, except partially, perhaps, in the graphical
> > > > interpretations of
> > > > > > > > fractal and non-euclidian geometries used in the new
> > > > sciences of chaos,
> > > > > > > > "simplicity" and "complexity," as well as in some aspects
> > > > of post modern
> > > > > > > > quantum and sub-quantum physics such as Superstring and
> > > > > > > Membrane theories.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Notice that HPB in the Secret Doctrine, always explained
> > > > the occult
> > > > > > > > derivations, relationships and significances whenever she made
> > > > > > > reference to
> > > > > > > > cabalistic numbers.  The reason for this is that one of the
> > > > > > > main purposes of
> > > > > > > > HPB's (and the Master's) exposure of esoteric theosophy
> > > > was to help us
> > > > > > > > simultaneously combine nonlinear and linear (abstract and
> > > > objective,
> > > > > > > > macrocosmic and microcosmic, as above so below, etc.)
> > > > > > > understandings, while
> > > > > > > > closing the gap and opening the bridge between linear
> > > > left brain and
> > > > > > > > nonlinear right brain network-type thinking -- which, to
> > > > thoroughly
> > > > > > > > comprehend the esoteric teachings, must be merged together.
> > > > > > > Her purpose (as
> > > > > > > > well as that of the Masters) was to awaken the intuition
> > > > and assist in
> > > > > > > > training the linear and nonlinear linked graphical imagination
> > > > > > > of prospective
> > > > > > > > chelas and possible future initiates... The opposite of whom
> > > > > > > would be the
> > > > > > > > possibly brain washed blind believers in pseudo esoteric
> > > > dogmas... As is
> > > > > > > > observed among many members of organized religions and
> > > > > > > followers of some so
> > > > > > > > called psychic cultists and other neo-theosophists or
> > "new age"
> > > > > > > teachers --
> > > > > > > > who would like to see a "new world order" based on
> > hierarchical
> > > > > > > and linear
> > > > > > > > numbers with the masses under easy control of their rulers
> > > > > > > (note the linear
> > > > > > > > connotation of the word "rulers") while still maintaining
> > > > a semblance of
> > > > > > > > individual choice.
> > > > > > > > The quickest way to accomplish such mind control would be
> > > > to teach their
> > > > > > > > members to either concentrate solely on the abstract
> > level of pure
> > > > > > > > spirituality as well as its associated rituals (which
> > makes them
> > > > > > > > non-resistors to their "controllers" or "gurus" mystical
> > > > > > > pronouncements), or
> > > > > > > > focus on the concrete level of numbers, formulas, letters and
> > > > > > > words (which
> > > > > > > > gives them an inclination to confine their thinking into
> > > > an externally
> > > > > > > > determined linear order that blindly follows their
> > leader's ends).
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, this is highly prevalent, today, in
> > many schools
> > > > > > > of so called
> > > > > > > > esoteric teachings, some of which profess to be based on
> > > > fundamental
> > > > > > > > theosophy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's good to remember, in light of the above, that the DNA
> > > > > > > linear numerical
> > > > > > > > code, for example, cannot function unless it is linked to
> > > > the actual
> > > > > > > > multidimensional nonlinear Astral fields that organically
> > > > empower the
> > > > > > > > proteins and magnetically guides their elements into
> > > > their 3-dimensional
> > > > > > > > chemical forms and body positions.  Is this the reason that
> > > > > > > while science can
> > > > > > > > superficially observe, count, and analyze the structure
> > > > of the genes
> > > > > > > > themselves, as well as understand the physical nature of the 4
> > > > > > > chemical bases
> > > > > > > > of amino acids that compose the genetic code, they can't
> > > > > > > entirely explain how
> > > > > > > > such codes work to actually build and position the
> > > > 3-dimensional protein
> > > > > > > > molecules or biological organisms that the DNA-RNA
> > > > (strings of code)
> > > > > > > > partially serves to guide?  They see only what they believe to
> > > > > > > be the cause
> > > > > > > > and the effect, but have little understanding of the actual
> > > > > > > coenergetic field
> > > > > > > > related processes in between.  Perhaps if scientists
> > > > could recognize the
> > > > > > > > existence of an Astral body which is formed of pure field
> > > > interference
> > > > > > > > patterns of magnetic energy in a higher order dimensional
> > > > > > > space, they would
> > > > > > > > have no trouble explaining these fundamental
> > processes of life,
> > > > > > > as well as
> > > > > > > > evolution, and their linkages to the DNA code.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please don't take these observations as any denial of the
> > > > validity of
> > > > > > > > esoteric numerology (which can be very useful as both
> > > > > > > confirmation of occult
> > > > > > > > principles as well as in the recognition of analogies and
> > > > > > > correspondences) --
> > > > > > > > but simply, as food for thought in self-determining its
> > > > value in helping
> > > > > > > > better understand the fundamental principles and the
> > derivative
> > > > > > > teachings of
> > > > > > > > theosophy along with its roots in esoteric occultism.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > LHM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a message dated 05/24/00 7:33:06 PM,
> > kellogg@west.net writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> <SNIP>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> As above, so below:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As (above) so (below)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As 01414 so 14242
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As  0 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 4 so 1 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 2
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As 10 so 13
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As 10 so 1 + 3
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As 10 so 4
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The difference is six.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >60 = 6 + 0 = 6
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Descent = 3 + 4 + 8 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 9
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Descent = 33 = 3 + 3 = 6
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Tetragrammaton = 9 + 4 + 9 + 7 + 0 + 6 + 7 + 0 + 0 + 0 +
> > > > 0 + 9  + 4 + 3
> > > > > > > > >= 58 =
> > > > > > > > >5 + 8 = 13 = 1 + 3 = 4
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Tetraktis =  9 + 4 + 9 + 7 + 0 + 1 + 9 + 8 + 8 = 55 = 5
> > > > + 5 = 10, "The
> > > > > > > > >Sacred
> > > > > > > > >Pythagorean number Number."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ><SNIP>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Spencer
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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