Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00335)

I remember traveling on a bus in southern Morocco.  It was hot,
stifling even, and dusty.  There were women whose only visible feature
were their hands, men carrying chickens and goats climbing in the bushes
along the side of the road.  Every sign was either written in Arabic or French
neither of which I speak.  I felt like a Martian.  I remember standing on
that bus, wondering what would happen if I lifted my feet off the floor it
was so crowded, and looking down to my right at this fellow sitting nearby.  He
was reading something.  When I looked closer he was reading a paper on mathematics,
something about the Divine Proportion and Phi.  I  couldn't have asked this guy
for the time of day if I wanted to but recognized what he was reading
because of the numbers and could have communicated with him quite
comfortably on that level.

Are numbers limited?  I'm not sure what you mean.  Are they limiting?  The instance
described above showed this student that they're much less limiting than language.


Spencer






scott holloman wrote:

> Forgive me but I have a thought that may or may not have any
> importance at all but aren't numbers labels as are words.Words/language
> are limited;are our numbers limited?I enjoy these discussions and hope
> to learn much.Thanks for your patience with novice's like me.
>                         Friends,Scott
>
> Spencer wrote:
> >
> > Truth = 9 + 7 + 0 + 9 + 7 = 32 = 3 + 2 = 5
> >
> > Light = 2 + 8 + 6 + 7 + 9 = 32 = 3 + 2 = 5
> >
> > Buddha = 1 + 0 + 3 + 3 + 7 + 0 = 1 + 4 = 5
> >
> > Nature = 3 + 0 + 9 + 0 + 7 + 4 = 23 = 2 + 3 = 5
> >
> > Be-ness = 1 + 4 + 3 + 4 + 8 + 8 = 28 = 2 + 8 = 10
> >
> > Meaningful?  I don't know.  Meaningless?  Perhaps.  It's probably nothing.
> >
> > Life = 2 + 8 + 5 + 4 = 19 = 1 + 9 = 10
> >
> > Suffering = 8 + 0 + 5 + 5 + 4 + 7 + 8 + 3 + 6 = 46 = 4 + 6 = 10
> >
> > Life is suffering.                 Gautama Buddha
> >
> > Life = suffering.                  Mathematical translation of 'is'
> >
> > Life = sufring   (fe)             Associative Property of Equality
> >
> > Life = surfing   (fe)             Commutative Property of Equality
> >
> > Life = surfing   (Fe)            Periodic Table symbol for Iron
> >
> > Iron attaches to a magnet.  (Fe) bears a striking resemblance to the
> > mathematical constant, phi.
> > What does any of this mean, if anything?
> > Practice detachment.
> >
> > Spencer
> >
> > LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > To set the record a bit straighter for those who read these numerological
> > > dialogues and who are not overly fascinated by apparently mystical numbers
> > > that  -- while in many cases reflective of occult processes -- are sometimes
> > > presented and taken totally out of context... Consider the following.
> > >
> > > Without showing the logical basis of such numbers and their cabalistic
> > > reductions -- with direct reference to and correlation with the nonlinear
> > > cyclic and spherical forces ("music of the spheres") from which they
> > > originate and reflect -- could be entirely superficial as well as meaningless
> > > and misleading to most serious students of occult or esoteric theosophy --
> > > especially, beginners.
> > >
> > > The "why" and "how" in these teachings and understandings are as equally
> > > important as the "what" and "wherefor."  The I Ching is a good example of
> > > this, since its  numbers and their relationships are simply a symbolic
> > > reflection of the esoteric teachings given out in its commentaries, and have
> > > no fundamental meaning in themselves -- except to serve as an symbolic
> > > mathematical or geometric tool linking the objective questioner indirectly
> > > with the subjectivity of the oracle -- whose metaphoric pronouncements, as
> > > translated by the ancient Chinese Taoist philosophers, still requires, for
> > > proper interpretation, a profound and intuitive knowledge of the spherical
> > > and multidimnsional "tai-chi" forms of primal energy fields and the nonlinear
> > > laws and relationships of their cycles and periodicities that require
> > > nonlinear forms of mathematical geometries -- yet to be fully understood or
> > > codified, except partially, perhaps, in the graphical interpretations of
> > > fractal and non-euclidian geometries used in the new sciences of chaos,
> > > "simplicity" and "complexity," as well as in some aspects of post modern
> > > quantum and sub-quantum physics such as Superstring and Membrane theories.
> > >
> > > Notice that HPB in the Secret Doctrine, always explained the occult
> > > derivations, relationships and significances whenever she made reference to
> > > cabalistic numbers.  The reason for this is that one of the main purposes of
> > > HPB's (and the Master's) exposure of esoteric theosophy was to help us
> > > simultaneously combine nonlinear and linear (abstract and objective,
> > > macrocosmic and microcosmic, as above so below, etc.) understandings, while
> > > closing the gap and opening the bridge between linear left brain and
> > > nonlinear right brain network-type thinking -- which, to thoroughly
> > > comprehend the esoteric teachings, must be merged together.  Her purpose (as
> > > well as that of the Masters) was to awaken the intuition and assist in
> > > training the linear and nonlinear linked graphical imagination of prospective
> > > chelas and possible future initiates... The opposite of whom would be the
> > > possibly brain washed blind believers in pseudo esoteric dogmas... As is
> > > observed among many members of organized religions and followers of some so
> > > called psychic cultists and other neo-theosophists or "new age" teachers --
> > > who would like to see a "new world order" based on hierarchical and linear
> > > numbers with the masses under easy control of their rulers (note the linear
> > > connotation of the word "rulers") while still maintaining a semblance of
> > > individual choice.
> > > The quickest way to accomplish such mind control would be to teach their
> > > members to either concentrate solely on the abstract level of pure
> > > spirituality as well as its associated rituals (which makes them
> > > non-resistors to their "controllers" or "gurus" mystical pronouncements), or
> > > focus on the concrete level of numbers, formulas, letters and words (which
> > > gives them an inclination to confine their thinking into an externally
> > > determined linear order that blindly follows their leader's ends).
> > > Unfortunately, this is highly prevalent, today, in many schools of so called
> > > esoteric teachings, some of which profess to be based on fundamental
> > > theosophy.
> > >
> > > It's good to remember, in light of the above, that the DNA linear numerical
> > > code, for example, cannot function unless it is linked to the actual
> > > multidimensional nonlinear Astral fields that organically empower the
> > > proteins and magnetically guides their elements into their 3-dimensional
> > > chemical forms and body positions.  Is this the reason that while science can
> > > superficially observe, count, and analyze the structure of the genes
> > > themselves, as well as understand the physical nature of the 4 chemical bases
> > > of amino acids that compose the genetic code, they can't entirely explain how
> > > such codes work to actually build and position the 3-dimensional protein
> > > molecules or biological organisms that the DNA-RNA (strings of code)
> > > partially serves to guide?  They see only what they believe to be the cause
> > > and the effect, but have little understanding of the actual coenergetic field
> > > related processes in between.  Perhaps if scientists could recognize the
> > > existence of an Astral body which is formed of pure field interference
> > > patterns of magnetic energy in a higher order dimensional space, they would
> > > have no trouble explaining these fundamental processes of life, as well as
> > > evolution, and their linkages to the DNA code.
> > >
> > > Please don't take these observations as any denial of the validity of
> > > esoteric numerology (which can be very useful as both confirmation of occult
> > > principles as well as in the recognition of analogies and correspondences) --
> > > but simply, as food for thought in self-determining its value in helping
> > > better understand the fundamental principles and the derivative teachings of
> > > theosophy along with its roots in esoteric occultism.
> > >
> > > LHM
> > >
> > > In a message dated 05/24/00 7:33:06 PM, kellogg@west.net writes:
> > >
> > > >> <SNIP>
> > > >
> > > >> As above, so below:
> > > >
> > > >As (above) so (below)
> > > >
> > > >As 01414 so 14242
> > > >
> > > >As  0 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 4 so 1 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 2
> > > >
> > > >As 10 so 13
> > > >
> > > >As 10 so 1 + 3
> > > >
> > > >As 10 so 4
> > > >
> > > >The difference is six.
> > > >
> > > >60 = 6 + 0 = 6
> > > >
> > > >Descent = 3 + 4 + 8 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 9
> > > >
> > > >Descent = 33 = 3 + 3 = 6
> > > >
> > > >Tetragrammaton = 9 + 4 + 9 + 7 + 0 + 6 + 7 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 9  + 4 + 3
> > > >= 58 =
> > > >5 + 8 = 13 = 1 + 3 = 4
> > > >
> > > >Tetraktis =  9 + 4 + 9 + 7 + 0 + 1 + 9 + 8 + 8 = 55 = 5 + 5 = 10, "The
> > > >Sacred
> > > >Pythagorean number Number."
> > > >
> > > ><SNIP>
> > > >
> > > >Spencer
> > > >
> > >
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