Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00328)

LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:

> >> >    There is actually a significance to the number 7, but it is entirely
> >> >illusory. That becomes clear from a reading of THE DIVINE PLAN.
> >>
> >> How illusory?  If you examine the endless and beginningless three cycle
> >> flow of the first energy line circling around the primal point of origin,
> >> you will note that its first derivative is three circles (or spheres).
> >
> >    You have saved everybody a good chunk of the task in your explanation.
> >
> >Now, consider the 1st Stanza of Dzyan, and, with your knowledge of math,
> >you should see why I state that the significance of the number 7 is
> illusory.
> >Or, perhaps more properly, Illusion.
>
> I'm afraid my limited knowledge of math must be insufficient to understand
> what in the first stanza leads you state that the "significance of the number
> seven is illusory or an illusion."  What about the "seven eternities" during
> which the eternal Parent slumbered?  If the slumbering parent is the only
> significant reality, why isn't its states of eternality (which has to be
> related to its duration in some measure of cyclic time) also be as
> significant?

    A) Since there was no time, the phrase "7 eternities" has a meaning that I
doubt any of us can understand. However, let's take a look first into the concept
of "1 into 3 into 7". There is one unchanging reality. That reality is distorted
through the "lenses" (for lack of a better term) of the roots of matter, energy,
and consciousness (1 into 3). Now, if you recombine the 3 in all possible ways
(as happens in the manvantara, the maya, the illusory reality if you will), you
get 8 ways of combining. But note that one of those ways is "none of the above",
null, or naught. But in our view of reality, there IS no empty space. Current
science experiments in so-called "zero point energy", based on the logical
extension of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle, have shown that this to be the
case. In the 1st stanza of Dzyan, the prolaya is described, at least in part, as
"Naught was". This can mean that there was nothing, or it can also mean that the
very principle of Nothing, which does not exist in our view of reality, existed
in the prolaya. Which makes 7 a number very symbolic of the manvantara vs. the
prolaya, and THAT is what I meant by 7 being illusory. I apologize for being
cryptic; I should have just gone right out and said it, and let everybody accept
it or attack it, as they desired.

    Now for the REASON I have been somewhat more snide than even usual. It was
annoyance, plain and simple, which I have been taking out on everybody, not just
the sources of my annoyance. To take the myth of Jesus to explain, Jesus was
giving his apostles the secrets of the Universe, and his apostles busied
themselves trying to figure out important problems like, is it permissable to sit
at a table with non-Jews.

    Here we have at least the beginnings of the secrets of the Universe laid out
in front of us, and we have people playing word games with it, trying to extract
meanings based on things which were probably quite arbitrary while ignoring what
was put in there on purpose. And I should have been saying that from the
beginning rather than resorting to sarcastic put-downs; all I can say as
explanation (not excuse) is that it is an inherited trait from my father. It is
hard (but not impossible) to escape from one's upbringing.

    Bart Lidofsky



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