Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00325)

In a message dated 05/26/00 7:58:04 PM, bartl@sprynet.com writes:

>LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 05/25/00 11:19:21 PM, bartl@sprynet.com writes:
>>
>> >    There is actually a significance to the number 7, but it is entirely
>> >illusory. That becomes clear from a reading of THE DIVINE PLAN.
>>
>> How illusory?  If you examine the endless and beginningless three cycle
>> flow of the first energy line circling around the primal point of origin,
>> you will note that its first derivative is three circles (or spheres).
>
>    You have saved everybody a good chunk of the task in your explanation.
>
>Now, consider the 1st Stanza of Dzyan, and, with your knowledge of math,  
>you should see why I state that the significance of the number 7 is 
illusory. 
>Or, perhaps more properly, Illusion.

I'm afraid my limited knowledge of math must be insufficient to understand 
what in the first stanza leads you state that the "significance of the number 
seven is illusory or an illusion."  What about the "seven eternities" during 
which the eternal Parent slumbered?  If the slumbering parent is the only 
significant reality, why isn't its states of eternality (which has to be 
related to its duration in some measure of cyclic time) also be as 
significant?

As far as this stanza is concerned, which appears to be the fundamental 
"ground" for all the following stanzas, there must be some great significance 
to those seven eternities and the (possibly seven) "ever invisible robes," as 
well as the similarly invisible or unmanifest "seven sublime lords" and the 
"seven truths" mentioned.  But then, how can such "truths" not be also 
eternal as well as significant?

Since nothing proceeds from nothing, the number 7, as applied to this 
abstract state of infinitely eternal existence (or should I say "non 
existence"?:-), seems to be of the utmost significance, in itself... 
Otherwise, why would the author of the B of D have mentioned that number in 
its very first line?

Perhaps this may explain why. 
For one thing, the unchangeableness of the number seven -- as being the 
fundamental root of the equally unchanging or immutable laws of cycles that 
underlies the only reality -- can be clearly comprehended intuitively by 
understanding the mathematical (graphic, vector, fractal, etc.) roots of the 
2nd fundamental principle, as it relates to the eternal cycles of involution 
and evolution. 

The circle of eternal absolute motion itself is fundamental to the 
pre-manifestation abstract state of the Cosmos, and the circle itself, 
whether seen as abstract or not, has seven distinct aspects or states and 
directions of motion that fully describes each of its cyclic positions with 
respect to the infinite abstract spherical space that it must exist eternally 
in, as well as manifest as.  In addition this space, whether manifest or not, 
had 6 directions (UP, Down, N, E, S, W) on three of its defining axes.  
Adding these abstract directions or poles to the center point of origin gives 
us the number 7.   Therefore, the only things that could be considered 
illusory or an illusion, are the material aspects of manifest nature that we 
experience and presume to be real (or eternal).  

Numbers may be used to measure insignificant, or illusory things as well as 
to count states and aspects of fundamental reality, but as explanatory 
symbols, they, themselves, cannot be considered insignificant when used for 
such purposes. Therefore, all numbers are "significant" in one way or 
another. i.e.; However, they may be considered as insignificant in certain 
cases when measuring illusory material effects, but never insignificant when 
describing fundamental causes and their aspects or potentialities on a purely 
pre cosmic level. 

LHM

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