Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00287)

Bart:
(I like being asked for my sources) You ask:
>     Where do those seven fractions come from? And how do they yield those
whole
> numbers?
(you problably did not read the beginning of the thread?)

First check out this URL
http://www.new-universe.com/pythagoras/mcclain.html
Which contain the essay "Musical Theory and Ancient Cosmology" by Ernest G.
McClain.
    McClains bacis source for these ratios are:    E.A. Wallis Budge:
"Amulets and Talismans"
    Wallis Budge's source was, I recall vaguely, a cuneiform tablet
discovered in...(dont ask me for the year)

The name of the seven primary gods could be written with the sign of "star"
followed by a fraction. Each fraction taken as fractions of Anu yield a
value, and also a tone in the musical scale. 60/60 = 1 = Anu, 1/6 = 10/60 =
Marduk, etc. Taken as whole numbers the gods yield 10, 12, etc.

Now I quote myself:
The basic value was 60, represented by Anu or An (meaning atom in sanskrit).
In the earliest sumerian (pre-cuneiform) notation, 10 was represented by a
point ,1 by a half-point, etc.
The seven major gods are fractions of their father Anu (1/6, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3,
1/2, 2/3, and 5/6 or  Marduk, Nergal, Ishtar, Shamash, Sin, Ea-Enki.
Bel-Enlil) Each of the seven gods represent a musical note, if Anu is taken
as the basic string length."
[End of quote]

To my knowledge it is the only known representation in numbers of the seven
deities of an ancient religion (based on archeological evidence, not
guesswork). I cannot emphasize enough the importance of this discovery. It
is, as you will know the system described by M. in  Mahatma letter No.13.

>     In what system is that true?

Please be more exact in asking. In what system does 355 represent a circle?
Or in what system exists a seven-tone scale representing the seven primary
gods? "True" is a very unfortunate term when discussing approximations to
"pi" and symbolical geometry.

>     Please don't confuse cause and effect.

Sound piece of advice. The falling and rising scales divides the circle in 2
parts and 12 sections. See fig2 in the above mentioned article. The D is
struck once. If the system interests you I would like to discuss it further,
when you have studied it a little. Remember that the Pythagorean/Platonic
and Indian systems are closely related and differ somewhat from the
chaldean.

Kim

----- Original Message -----
From: Bart Lidofsky <bartl@sprynet.com>
To: <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Fundamental theosohical principles and their
relationship toscience.


> Kim Poulsen wrote:
>
> > Tony, I did find your quotation immensely interesting, it related
closely to
> > an analysis of the chaldean system. The Seven tones or fractions (1/6,
1/5,
> > 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, and 5/6)in whole numbers yield 10, 12, 15, 20, 30,
40
> > and 50 - the sum of which is 177.
>
>     Where do those seven fractions come from? And how do they yield those
whole
> numbers?
>
> > Now Anu did not only mean 60, but also One (written  by a large "1" in
later
> > systems). 60 was represented by a half-disc or semi-circle. 177 =
> > (355 -1)/2. (which relates to your quotation mentioning 56.5 = 113/2)
>
>     In what system is that true?
>
> > The seven tones had an descending and ascending scale (represented by
two
> > half-circles). A thorough investigation of the chaldean system might
yield
> > amazing results.
> > By comparison the hindu scale was based on 22 intervals and 7 tones, the
> > idea remains the same.
>
>     Please don't confuse cause and effect.
>
>     Bart
>
>
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