Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00223)

Gee,

Leon.  You have hurt my little feelings.  I'm sincere here and more humble.
I still think it is an important statement, you mean poop.  I grew up
working class poor and for me to realize that the physical world is but the
supreme expression of  formulations from the buddhic plane of the
mathematician is extremely important.  This is like learning that Poetry and
my Very Soul is more Causally real than my behavior as automated on in the
physical world. I was taught that poets were candy-asses!

You are just so brilliant, and again I mean to be sincere, that you have
grown used to it and may have lost compassion for those of us who are just
now beginning to strut a little ourselves.  Parabrahm, supreme as to cause
but not supreme as to effect.  The physical world of Nature, supreme as to
effect, but not supreme as to cause.

Really.  You are incredible.  What a mind.  What glorious writing.  Take
care.

Gene


-----Original Message-----
From: LeonMaurer@aol.com <LeonMaurer@aol.com>
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Mathematics, Spinoza, Leibniz


>In a message dated 05/20/00 12:17:57 PM, ecarpent@co.la.ca.us writes:
>
>>Tobias Dantzig, beloved mathematician historian of Einstein, wrote
>>that unlike the common belief that mathematics is metaphor for al
>>the physic world, the reverse is true. THE PHYSICAL WORLD IS
>>METAPHOR FOR THE WORLD OF MATHEMATICS.
>>  Sorry to shout, but it is an incredibly important statement
>>if true.  I think Heisenberg would agree as would Whitehead.
>
>Gratuitous qualifying of an "authority" and "shouting" may intimidate, but
it
>can never convince anyone of anything.:-)
>
>Why is such a one sided statement so "incredibly important"?  To my mind it
>is simply an opinionated rhetorical ploy... Since, it implies an unfounded
>denial, and fails to consider that both statements may be true and do not
>contradict each other.  As it stands, true or not, what does this tell us
>other than confirming the idea, as Pythagorus observed, that "the universe
>geometrizes" -- or, should we say, "mathematizes"?
>
>That's obvious... Since, in the beginning and at the end of universal
>manifestation, as well as in the absolute before and after, ALL is both ONE
>and MANY -- as HPB pointed out.  Accordingly, we could say, as she further
>implied, that the physical world is not the metaphor for the mathematical
>world, nor is mathematics the metaphor for the physical world, but that
they
>are each the metaphor for the other, as well as, together, for BOTH the
>noumenal and the phenomenal worlds.  This could be a far more important and
>profound statement from the standpoint of theosophical as well as
>mathematical and scientific reality, don't you think?  I think that
Einstein,
>Heisenberg, Bohr, Bohm, Whitehead, and even Newton would agree.
>
>It's too bad that most establishment scientists don't yet recognize the
>reality of the noumenal world as a direct reflection of the phenomenal
world,
>and vice versa. If they did, they would have already crossed the bridge
over
>the chasm between spirit (consciousness), mind (thought) and matter
>(brain-body), and mathematically as well as scientifically proven a
"unified
>theory of everything" -- (for which, incidentally, HPB and the Masters have
>already given them all the ammunition they need).
>
>LHM
>
>
>-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com
>
>Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and
>teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of
>"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com.
>


-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com

Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and
teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com.