Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00193)

I will comment fully later.  All of these comments are comments concerning
the intellect and intelligent people.  There are only there  three nation
cultures mentioned in the the Alice Bailey Books that are considered to have
the Quality of of Intelligent Activity the predominent quality of the three
aspects:  Intelligent activity   Love-wisdom  Will-power.  These three
nation cultures are The Jews, The Chinese and the French.  Of the Three
Cultures The Jews and the Chinese are said to have transpersonal souls with
the main quality being Will-Power.  The Frence soul is said to be the
Quality of  Concret Knowledge or Science.

The Jews and the Chinese have similar qualities at the transpersonal and
personal levels.  The Chinese are referred to as the Jews of the Orient.  I
may be too uneducated, but I do not take this to be derogatory but a
compliment to the Chinese and the Jews, that they are alike with subperb
cultures that value learning and intellect so highly.

The The Planetary Logos has  a personality with the predominent Quality of
Intelligent activity like the Jews and the Chinese.  Therefore it is cool
that the only "western" culture, exoterically, is referred to as the choosen
people.  Humanity itself is the choosen people, the throat centre of the
planetary logos, the expressive aspect of the planetary aspect.  The Jews do
symbolize all of humanity, the intelligent active aspect of the planetary
logos.

Bailey gives constructive criticism of the French and their arrogant
nationalism too and points out that the French are destined to dominate the
world as great Scientists not through physical world domination.

All intellectuals suffer the lack of love-wisdom and will-power, by
definition, but excel in Intelligent activity.  Intelligent activity must
someday be balanced with love and will and the others must be balanced with
intelligence.

Your quotes are accurate quotes and are present in the Alice Bailey Books.
My honest opinion is that they are very good and constructive and brave
comments from the heart to a people that are loved and a most important part
of humanity, truely intelligent leaders in the world like the Chinese.  I
honestly do not see any anti-semitism nor do I see any anti-Jewish
statements, the former pathologic and the latter perfectly politically
correct cultural criticism.  I do see the danger of making any critical
comments at all to or about a culture that has sufferred so heavily and is
so rightfully sensitive and careful to never let such evil occur again and
to constantly keep the holocost of the six million Jews and the seven
million people of other cultural and ethnic groups always in the face of a
world that now lives with this guilt and this deep shame.

Saturn is the "God" of Karma and the "God of intellegent activity.  Saturn
is an expression of the third aspect of the trinity, the Maternal aspect, or
the Holy Ghost of the Christians.  In the early days Saturn was the tribal
God of the Jews before the Hidden Deity of the Kabballa, Ain-Soph gradually
became more well known to the exoteric aspects of the culture.  The esoteric
aspects of all religions are one and the same and this unites all of us
together into on humanity.

We have learned not to worship one God of the Seven Gods manifesting the
Hidden Deity.  As Aristotle taught, a virtuous man has all the Virtues.

An intelligent people can become more loving and inclusive.
A loving people can become more intelligent.

I will find later where Alice Bailey and the Tibetan explain how  all of
humanity with very few excepts has it's roots in the ancient Semites.
Remember the idea of the lost tribes.

A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing.  Please be very careful in
jumping to conclusions without you yourself understanding the esoteric
literature of Alice Bailey and remember the teachings of HPB in regard to
Jehovah(a Goddess), Saturn, The Lord of Karma, Exoteric Religions, and the
oneness and the inclusiveness of the Esoteric Philosophy.  There is a
difference between the awful pathology of anti-semitism and  critical
anti-Jewish remarks.  For a people to shut themselves off from all negative
comment in order  to be rigorous in their defense is just another effect of
the horror of the holocost, a post traumatic syndrome, beyond anyone's right
to criticise, but all of our responsibilty to help heal with love, with
light and with the power of this one Life we seem to be living within
together.

Love,
Gene

The sections in the Alice Bailey Books on Homosexuality is a hot topic too.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Green <davidgreen@hotmail.com>
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 11:31 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Several Comments on Alice Bailey


>
>
>>From: "Eugene Carpenter" <ecarpent@co.la.ca.us>
>
>>Once again.  Please note.  The Jews symbolize all of humanity.  We all are
>>the Jews.  We all are wandering in the desert.  One is best not to take
>>symbol and metaphor literally.
>
>
>Dear Eugene  ------
>
>Where does Mrs Bailey write that her words about the Jews are symbolic &
>metaphoric?
>
>Her words are concrete & literal.
>
>"Today the law of racial karma is working and the Jews are paying the price
>factually and symbolically ... "
>
>"They [the Jews] have never faced candidly and honestly as a race the
>problem of WHY [sic] the many nations, from the time of the Egyptians, have
>neither liked nor wanted them... Yet there must be some reason, inherent in
>the people themselves, when the reaction is so general and universal."
>
>"The Jewish problem will be solved by the willingness of the Jew to conform
>to the civilization, the cultural background and the standards of living of
>the nation to which -- by the fact of birth and education -- he is related
>and should assimilate."
>
>"The evil karma of the Jew today [written in 1949] is intended to end his
>isolation, to bring him to the point of relinquishing material goals, of
>renouncing a nationality that has a tendency to be somewhat parasitic
within
>the boundaries of other nations, and to express inclusive love instead of
>separative unhappiness..."
>
>Is Mrs Bailey writing about "all of humanity"?  Gene, it doesn't make
sense.
>  Don't be an ostrich.
>
>David
>
>
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