Theos-Talk Archives (April 2000 Message tt00061)

Mr. Capenter:

Given your remarks here, you may find this site to be of
some interest:

http://www.netdot.com/hermital/holopara.htm

Barrett Culmback, who share your interests, since 1967.








On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:04:29 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Thanks for you e-mail to the list.  Having studied the Secret Doctrine for
>some time and then reading THE ELEGANT UNIVERSE by Brian Greene and other
>popular books on Cosmology I have noticed that Cosmology is following the
>Secret Doctrine Cosmology and this is thrilling.
>
>My field is Medical Theory and I need association with scientists who are
>interested in both theosophy and cosmology so I seek such in groups such as
>the Society for Scientific Exploration and the Science and Medical Network.
>They seem strong in science and open and beginning in esoterics.  You seem
>very strong in both, which seems rare.  I read Bilimori's Book on  science
>and the theosophical view and I liked it. It did not have the depth that I
>seem to see in your materials.   Thanks.
>
>At the last Society of Scientific Exploration Hal Puthoff gave a little
>lecture on the need for scientists to respect and return to the subjective
>arts of numerology, astrology, alchemy, etc, (Newton's other side) and he
>was pleasantly and respectfully received.  For this openness to hold the
>Society needs people like you with a strong background in science and
>theosophy to assert the rational basis of theosophy and it's shinning
>importance to Western Science and Art and Philosophy at this moment in our
>culture.
>
>I plan to re-read your statement and save it.
>
>Oh! Please see David Pearce's webpage on the Zero Hypotheis.  This is my
>favorite space as it seems to jive with the secret doctrine.  I've studied
>in this space for years.  He does not seem to be familiar with the Secret
>Doctrine and did not return my e-mail to him.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Eugene
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LeonMaurer@aol.com <LeonMaurer@aol.com>
>To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>; study@blavatsky.net
><study@blavatsky.net>
>Cc: basic@blavatsky.net <basic@blavatsky.net>
>Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:05 PM
>Subject: Theos-World Re: New Website on the Early History of the
>Theosophical Society
>
>
>>
>>In a message dated 04/16/00 3:00:02 AM, ringding@blinx.de writes:
>>
>>>O no, not again that idiotic pseudo-scientific and pseudo-
>>>theosophical fairy tale book.
>>>
>>>If the University of Vienna calls on their web-site this really
>>>an "scientific" book we first have to talk about what is Science.
>>>
>>>Frank
>>
>>Oh no, not again... Another idiotic prejudgement based on nothing more than
>>rumors -- that attempt to denigrate theosophy without any knowledge of what
>>it really teaches.  Shades of the 1890s British Psychical Society, and the
>>other "Luddites" prior to that time -- and afterwards.
>>
>>The teachings of theosophy have to be taken on their own thoroughly
>>understood merits...  And, no research (valid or not) by historical
>scholars,
>>attempting to prove or disprove the truth or falsity of HPB's claims about
>>her association with "Masters of Wisdom" has any value in that respect.
>>
>>Perhaps you ought to read the Mission Statement as well as the history of
>the
>>University of Vienna before doubting its authority as one of the foremost
>>world class centers of scientific teachings and religious philosophies.
>See:
>>< http://www.univie.ac.at/unileitbildengl.html >  and
>>< http://www.univie.ac.at/Ausseninstitut/unigb1.htm >
>>
>>So, before taking such a no-nothing, prejudicial attitude, If you doubt the
>>scientific validity of the fundamental teachings of theosophy as presented
>in
>>the Secret Doctrine, you (and other skeptics and doubting Thomas's) would
>be
>>wise to first check out the web site at:
>><http://users.aol.com/unIwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/einstein.html>
>>-- and find out what Einstein scientifically "intuited" from the teachings
>in
>>those volumes. Even Einstein was considered a fraud and a fantasizer by
>>classical scientists when he first came up with his special theory of
>>relativity and the unproven (until the late 30's) E=mc^2 in 1905.
>>
>>Then, you might also read (actually, study and consider) the SD -- as a
>>physics textbook (as Einstein did) -- which presages, and reveals the
>>fundamental basis of ALL *proven* modern scientific theories of physics
>>(relativity, photoelectricity, quantum, and quark theories) PLUS the recent
>>postmodern cosmological physics (Superstring, Membrane, and Zero point
>energy
>>[ZPE] theories).  All of which cyclically (not psychically) rests on the
>>"Fundamental Principles" along with the "Laya point" of HPB, or the
>>scientific "zero point instant" postulated by modern and post modern
>science.
>> Then, perhaps, we all might have some respect for your (and other
>>denigrating "pundits" who, obliquely, discredit the teachers to disqualify
>>the teachings) *well considered* and unbiased opinions about the
>theosophical
>>scientific teachings, themselves. (*–-* = italics)  You might also read my
>>ABC paper and associated diagrams (web sites below) that postulates a new
>>scientific paradigm of holographic coenergetic fields that correlates
>>theosophy with modern string and zero-point energy theories (recently
>proven
>>to exist by the Casimir Effect as well as the split photon "action at a
>>distance" entanglement experiments at CERN)). After such study, you might
>be
>>more qualified to make valid judgments based on acquired knowledge, rather
>>than ignorance that rests on questionable historical evidence (food for
>>ignorant skeptics) regarding the personalities of the "founders" and their
>>associates.
>>
>>The project noted below could possibly be a worthwhile endeavor to clarify
>>the history of theosophy -- provided it refers back to its origination in
>>ancient Greece under the auspices of the Neo Platonists, Ammonius Saccus,
>>Porphyry and Plotinus. (See the *Key to Theosophy* by HPB).  And, provided
>it
>>rests on a serious study of their teachings as later correlated with the
>>*Book of Dzyan* by H. P.  Blavatsky in her seminal book, *The Secret
>Doctrine
>>- The Synthesis of  Science, Religion and Philosophy*.  This book and it's
>>teachings should be the only basis upon which to judge the truth or
>falsehood
>>of the scientific basis of theosophy... Not, on whether or not the so
>called
>>"Masters" were pseudonymous personalities -- for which there is no valid
>hard
>>evidence, either pro or con.  Also, HPB's personality and her unproved, so
>>called "frauds," based on questionable historical research, should have no
>>relevance whatsoever to the scientific validity of the teachings presented
>in
>>the Secret Doctrine, or in her other occult writings -- which must either
>>stand or fall on their own logic and reasonableness, as well as on (HPB's
>>predicted) modern scientific corroboration.  In any case, HPB cannot be
>>blamed for her possible dissemblinng to avoid violating certain oaths of
>>secrecy regarding the esoteric occult imformation transmitted to her by the
>>Masters (who might also have required a certain degree of anonymity).  In
>>addition, why would HPB have intentionally blinded certain dangerous occult
>>teachings in the SD by leaving them to be "dug out" by her more intuitive
>>students with a level of intelligence. ethics and scientific/mathematical
>>knowledge close to that of Einstein?
>>
>>>> There is a call for papers for a new website on the early
>>>> history of the T.S. and the Masters. There will be
>>>> monthly interviews and it starts today with K. Paul Johnson.
>>>>
>>>> The website is titled:
>>>>
>>>> HISTORY OF THEOSOPHY
>>>> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a7502210/
>>>>
>>>> "These Webpages are to bring together academic and
>>>> semi academic research related to the early history of the
>>>> Theosophical Society, its surroundings and legacy."
>>
>>Without reference to the above mentioned historical review, but with
>>reference to modern and post modern science, I hopefully await some
>>intelligent discussions in these theosophical forums related to the
>>fundamental scientific principles that underlies all evolution, as well as
>>the scientific relationships between spirit, mind and matter -- as
>presented
>>in the SD and other writings of HPB and her (pseudonymous or not) Masters
>KH
>>and M -- and supplemented by other corroborative writings of William Q.
>>Judge, under their direct tutelage.  How else can the principles and ethics
>>of theosophy, and the reasonableness of karma and reincarnation, be
>>disseminated to and understood by ordinary people in "the language of THIS
>>age"?  Anything else is just worthless gossip and babbling -- signifying
>>nothing -- except to philologists and historians -- whom all true
>>theosophists can take with a "grain of salt."
>>
>>LHM
>>leonmaurer@aol.com
>>http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/
>>http://members.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
>>
>>"To prejudge without serious study and thought is to be blind to the truth
>or
>>falsity of any scientific, philosophical or religious doctrine" -- Thomas
>>Aquinas
>>
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