Theos-Talk Archives (March 2000 Message tt00044)

    Though we speak of his form, the Eternal Buddha has
no form, but he can manifest himself in any form.  Though
we describe his attributes, yet the Eternal Buddha has no
attributes, but he can manifest himself in any and all
attributes.  So if anyone sees distinctly the form of Buddha,
or visions his attributes clearly, and yet does not become
attached to the form or to the attributes, he has the capacity
to see and know Buddha.

                                                    Gautama Buddha
Best wishes,

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Barrett Culmback wrote:

> It would perhaps be helpful when thinking of 'other planets' and the 'beings
> on them' to recall that H.P.B. said more than one time that the S.D. is
> written in an "occult cypher."  It might be over-simplying to think of the
> 'planets' and the 'beings' in overly physicalized terms.  It is helpful to
> me to remember the axiom "From Above, below, from Within, without," to
> remember about "occult correspondences," and H.P.B.'s teachings regarding
> "consubstantiatity."
>
> Krishna, having granted Arjuna a Vision of His Divine Form, says to him,
> "But what have you to do with all this?  I created this entire universe with
> a single portion of Myself, yet remain separate."  Who am 'I'?
>
> These, and other, considerations help (me) to not become too 'concrete' in
> my interpretation of matter such as are here being discussed.
>
> All the best,
>
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> "It is understandable that a child might fear the darkness; less so that an
> adult would fear the light."  Plato
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Merriott" <caduceus@dial.pipex.com>
> To: <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:11 AM
> Subject: RE: Theos-World Questions about Masters
>
> > Dear David,
> >
> > Here is something (below) I posted to another list a little while ago
> which
> > relates to your question, even though not exactly.
> >
> > Hope it adds a few more thoughts on this subject.
> >
> > ...Peter
> >
> > *_*_*_*_
> >
> >
> > Dear .....,
> >
> > you write:
> >
> > > "It is my understanding of the teachings of
> > > Theosophy that EVERY planet has its humanity,
> > > and could not even be a planet if that spiritual
> > > humanity wasn't there to begin with, in order to
> > > get it all going, just like here, starting at the
> > > top, from the most spiritual level and working on
> > > down to the most physical and then back up again."
> >
> > With regards your statement above and the interesting questions you raised
> > in the rest of your post, the following pasages from HPB and the Mahatmas
> > might be worth considering:
> >
> >   "The Doctrine teaches that, in order to become a divine, fully conscious
> > god, -- aye, even the highest -- the Spiritual primeval INTELLIGENCES must
> > pass through the human stage. And when we say human, this does not apply
> > merely to our terrestrial humanity, but to the mortals that inhabit any
> > world, i.e., to those Intelligences that have reached the appropriate
> > equilibrium between matter and spirit, as we have now, since the middle
> > point of the Fourth Root Race of the Fourth Round was passed. Each Entity
> > must have won for itself the right of becoming divine, through
> > self-experience."
> > (SD I 106)
> >
> >    It is very interesting that HPB and the Masters state we must not limit
> > our idea of "humanity" simply to the life wave of "Intelligences" on this
> > planet, ie earth.  Further, if  we look at what one of the Mahatmas has to
> > say about the highest form of adeptship possible on this planet it may add
> a
> > further dimension to this topic:
> >
> >   "When our great Buddha -- the patron of all the adepts, the reformer and
> > the codifier of the occult system, reached first Nirvana on earth, he
> became
> > a Planetary Spirit; i.e. -- his spirit could at one and the same time rove
> > the interstellar spaces in full consciousness, and continue at will on
> Earth
> > in his original and individual body. For the divine Self had so completely
> > disfranchised itself from matter that it could create at will an inner
> > substitute for itself, and leaving it in the human form for days, weeks,
> > sometimes years, affect in no wise by the change either the vital
> principle
> > or the physical mind of its body. By the way, that is the highest form of
> > adeptship man can hope for on our planet."
> > (Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett, No 9.  Barker ed.)
> >
> >   What an interesting phrase - "rove the interstellar spaces in full
> > consciousness".  What potential there is for mankind!  It is said that in
> > terms of evolutionary stages our current humanity is in the 5th Race of
> its
> > 4th Round of development.  There being seven such rounds, each with seven
> > root races.  Lemuria and Atlantis being names for the 3rd and 4th races
> > respectively of this our 4th round.  So the time periods involved are
> huge.
> > Now the Buddha is said to be effectively a Sixth Rounder.  In other words
> he
> > has, by his own efforts reached that stage of development that humanity in
> > the mass will have achieved at some point in the sixth round.
> >
> >   It would be worth keeping this in mind when considering the following
> > statement and its reference to Venus:
> >
> > "It is quite correct that Mars is in a state of obscuration at present,
> and
> > Mercury just beginning to get out of it. You might add that Venus is in
> her
> > last Round." (SD I 165)
> >
> >   Now, if Venus is in her last, and therefore seventh, round this would
> > place the highest intelligences on Venus very high indeed - higher than
> the
> > Buddha (a sixth rounder).  Does this help us appreciate what may be
> implied
> > in the following:
> >
> >   "Venus is the most occult, powerful, and mysterious of all the planets;
> > the one whose influence upon, and relation to the Earth is most prominent.
> > "
> > (SD II 30)
> >
> > This is put another way in the following:
> >
> >   "Every world has its parent star and sister planet. Thus Earth is the
> > adopted child and younger brother of Venus, but its inhabitants are of
> their
> > own kind. . . . All sentient complete beings (full septenary men or higher
> > beings) are furnished, in their beginnings, with forms and organisms in
> full
> > harmony with the nature and state of the sphere they inhabit."*
> >
> >   I keep in mind that the Occult doctrine states that in the early races
> of
> > this our 4th round there were no dense physical forms, as such.  The
> "first
> > dwelling" of the spiritual Human Monads being the astral double (said to
> be
> > of 'giant' proportions compared to our current compact form).  The astral
> > double provids the basis, the "model body" around which physical matter is
> > drawn and shaped in the making of the physical form.  All the physical
> forms
> > of the kingdoms of nature are built around the associated astral double(s)
> > as evolution progresses from 'within' to 'without'.   With regards which
> > came first - as far as I understand it, in the first three Rounds the
> > development of the animal kingdom preceeded the 'human'.  But in this
> Fourth
> > Round the 'creation' of the human astral forms preceeded, and were the
> basis
> > for, the mammalian ape like forms.
> >
> >   However, to return to the subject in hand.  If we keep in mind the early
> > races of this Round were 'formless' as far as physical matter is
> concerned,
> > then if we use your example of the imaginery spacecraft flying by at that
> > time piloted by beings whose perception was limited to the physical senses
> > only - they would have deemed this planet earth was without life and
> > uninhabitable.
> >
> >   If we look at the other end of the spectrum where the life wave has
> > progressed beyond the densest part of the mid point between spirit and
> > matter no doubt a similar phenomenom would be found.  An example to
> support
> > this view could be drawn from the following.  We understand that those
> those
> > highly progressed Adepts who have won the right to Nirvana and yet
> renounced
> > it, elect to stay on and help humanity as Nirmanakayas.  The densest body
> > for them is, like the early races, the astral double - but this time it is
> > something far grander.  See The Voice of the Silence  where it says,
> > speaking of the Nirmanakaya Form, referred to as one of the "Buddhic
> > Bodies", HPB writes:
> >
> >   "The first is that ethereal form which one would assume when leaving his
> > physical he would appear in his astral body - having in addition all the
> > knowledge of an Adept.  The Bodhisattva develops it [ie the Nirmanakaya
> > form] in himself as he proceeds on the Path.  Having reached the goal and
> > refused its fruition, he remains of Earth, as an Adept; and when he dies,
> > instead of going into Nirvana, he remains in that glorious body he has
> woven
> > for himself, INVISIBLE to uninitiated mankind, to watch over and protect
> > it."
> >  (VOICE OF THE SILENCE, page 96; words in [..] are mine)
> >
> >   One can't help but wonder what glorious Beings, "invisible to
> uninitiated
> > mankind" might inhabit some of the other planets and "intersellar spaces".
> > Would they communicate with us? Would Karmic law allow such a thing?  An
> > interesting thought to ponder, perhaps.  Occultism teaches us that the
> Adept
> > (5th Rounders) through the power of Kriyasakti*(see below), can project
> his
> > consciousness at will and appear in a Mayavi-rupa body anywhere on the
> > planet.  The Buddha, we are told, can rove the "interstellar spaces in
> full
> > consciousness."  What else might be possible to Seventh Rounders?
> >
> >   No doubt many of the bizarre and distasteful encounters reported to be
> > with extra-terrestrials have  more to do with the elementals and the lower
> > astral light than with the genuine spiritual intelligences of other
> spheres.
> > 'Semi-intelligent' elementals, which are essentially formless, take the
> > material from the aura of the person concerned, images projected in the
> > astral light, and appear in all shapes and sizes.  But that shouldn't rule
> > out encounters of a higher kind, where some elevating wisdom is offered,
> > even though the 'form' perceived may be drawn from the aura of the person
> > concerned.
> >
> >   However, while contemplating this, I remind myself of something that
> > Bhavani Shankar (a chela of the Master KH) says in his book, "The Doctrine
> > of the Bhagavad Gita."...
> >
> >   "The only object of the Initiate is the religious enlightenment of the
> > human race and a perfectly unselfish, self-forgetting, self-annihilating
> > devotion to that object... For this purpose he need not scour the Lokas,
> > for, from his own heart always flows a current of living moral and
> spiritual
> > energy for the good of the three worlds, more potent and dynamic in its
> > purifying and elevating effect than any number of lectures and orations
> > whether on the physical or astral or some higher planes."
> > (page 16-17)
> >
> > Hope the above provides some food for thought.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > ---------------------
> > * " KRIYASAKTI. The mysterious power of thought which enables it to
> produce
> > external, perceptible, phenomenal results by its own inherent energy. The
> > ancients held that any idea will manifest itself externally if one's
> > attention is deeply concentrated upon it. Similarly an intense volition
> will
> > be followed by the desired result. "
> > (SD I 293)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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