Theos-Talk Archives (October 1999 Message tt00049)

That is an interesting question, and not the first
time I have thought on it.  

The answer is: No.  If it were self evident, then it
would be evident to everyone.  No, it makes sense to
me, but the big picture is surreal at best.  

I know what you wrote about the oneness and nothing
feeling, it is strangely reassuring, eirie and sadly
bittersweet all at once.

I will miss myself...where will I go?  Just blended
into the mix of energy - assimilated...



Martin wrote:

> Now my question is Karma and reincarnation a
> self-evident Truth?
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Martin Leiderman
> 
> 
> 
> clint mccray wrote:
> 
> > Excellent points, but how many of us would get
> that
> > far? Even with all the literature, very few even
> > realize they are sentient in the real world, maybe
> 1
> > in a million would figure it out on their own.
> >
> > Then, thinking about all the tribal ritual and
> belief
> > focused of food, the hunt, natural elements, I
> would
> > think self evident truths would tend toward
> animism in
> > the island scenario.
> >
> > No, self evident truths are a paradox.  Evident
> truths
> > maybe, but with no real building blocks, very few
> (if
> > any) could put it together.  Hell very few, if any
> put
> > it together now.
> >
> > --- Martin Leiderman <martinle@lainet.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Randy,
> > > I like the subject since I entertained that
> sometime
> > > ago, and this is what came
> > > out of it.
> > >
> > > 1- I will be aware that I have consciousness. (I
> > > know there are many ways  to
> > > say it clearer)
> > > 2- Duality is perceived, as me and 'else'.
> > > 3- If I don't have any mystical experiences of
> > > totality, oneness, of Yoga, I
> > > will stay in this duality mode of consciousness
> > > forever, and explanations about
> > > Cosmos and consciousness will be of a
> materialistic,
> > > animistic, magical,
> > > nature, but I will not approach the Monistic
> > > philosophical view.
> > >
> > > 4- If I have any true mystical experiences, I
> will
> > > experience Oneness.
> > >
> > > 5- And from that Oneness, Wholeness, or Beness,
> I
> > > probably will come up with
> > > visions and explanations  about the origin of
> the
> > > Cosmos and of the
> > > Consciousness, essentially similar to any
> ancient
> > > religion, philosophy, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope to spark a dialogue.
> > >
> > > Martin Leiderman
> > >
> > > WLR7D@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to discuss with interested
> parties
> > > self-evident truths.  If you
> > > > were alone on an isolated island, what could 
> you
> > > come up with in terms of
> > > > your origin, purpose and destiny.  What I'm
> > > looking for is to assemble
> > > > self-evident truths that could be apparent to
> any
> > > thinking person and not
> > > > parroted constructs from"holy books" or
> > > sages...unless these are revealing
> > > > such self-evident truths.
> > > > My feeling is that this is the starting point
> for
> > > any grounded cosmogony or
> > > > life philosophy.  Let me know if you are
> > > interested.  I can send you the
> > > > ideas I have thus far assembled.
> > > > Thanks, Randy
> > > >
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