Theos-Talk Archives (May 1999ar Message tt00134)

Dear Arnaldo:

Your statement is crystal clear. If we lose our focus from the three objects and
their application, then theosophy will become another religion and with another
set of beliefs and the need for everyone to conform to the set of acceptable
beliefs.

Keeping an open mind with *no* beliefs, is essential in our search for truth.
However, leaving each one the full freedom to have any belief they like is again
the fundamental right of each person and we should all respect it as much as we
would like others respect our right to have any or no beliefs.

mkr

Arnaldo Sisson Filho wrote:

> Dear brothers,
>
> The first TS(Adyar at least, I do not know about
> the other theosophical organizations yet) Object
> speaks of creating a nucleus without distinction
> of creed etc. Being so, what is the problem if some
> one believes Sai Baba is the NTB? I am not
> suggesting that he is, I am just asking what is the
> problem.
>
> The three Objects given to the world last century
> by the TS are still my lighthouse, and my path to
> follow. Too bad we invented a new creed, which
> we gave the name of theosophy. Now we judge the
> others by the standard of this creed, and do not
> pay attention to the three Objects any more, not
> even in the TS.
>
> The spirit of theosophy is mutual tolerance, charity
> and love, and its objective expression is the practice
> of that. All sincere seekers should be welcome in
> the TS, or in any theosophical org./list that deserves
> that denomination. Not only those who repeat the
> writings of the new creed.
>
> If we go on teaching what we call theosophy, the
> new creed, "the theosophical world view", what
> is the difference between us and the other
> churches? Of course, our creed is The Perfect
> Truth. But again, all churches have the same
> claim. We should listen and compare.
>
> If Sai Baba has something to say, good. Let us
> hear his words. Let us also hear the Gita, the I
> Ching, Buda, Tao Te King, Zend Avesta, the Bible,
> the Vedas, the Koran, Confucius, Pitagoras,
> Plato, Roger Bacon, Plotinus, Thomas Moore,
> Patanjali, Francis Bacon, Paracelsus, Bahaullah,
> Kardec, our dear Old Lady as well, of course. And
> also Krishnamurti, Judge, Besant, Steiner, Bailey
> and many, many others too, ancient or new,
> lesser or greater than those few mentioned above!
>
> We should not have a creed of our own to teach.
> Our "creed" should be the practice of mutual
> tolerance (at least that), and to try to help each
> other in our paths. Therefore, we should be open
> to hear (with respect and tolerance) particularly
> those who think differently of our own beliefs.
> Of course, we should not accept if someone tell
> us to hear only Sai Baba, or only X, Y or Z.
>
> I am sorry to repeat on and on this point of view.
> But unless you show me to be in the wrong place,
> that is, that this list is devoted ONLY to the new
> creed, I will continue now and then to say so. Or
> until someone show me to be wrong in this matter.
>
> Un"theosophically" yours,    Arnaldo.
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: M K Ramadoss <ramadoss@eden.com>
> Para: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
> Data: Quarta-feira, 19 de Maio de 1999 21:55
> Assunto: Re: Theos-World The Next Torch-Bearer
>
> >Thanks Frank:
> >
> >If you or anyone else have immediate access to the "Adyar" journal, would
> be
> >interested in the full text.
> >
> >I fully agree that TS should not sponsor *any* *person* should be made
> >"official" part of any TS lodge program nor any group or sect should
> exploit TS
> >as a source of recruitment. Each group or sect should do their own thing
> outside
> >TS.
> >
> >On the other hand, if any lodge or group wants to discuss Sai Baba or X or
> Y or
> >Z or their philosophy, no one should have any problem in doing so.
> >
> >One still wonders about the incidents where in D. Rajagopal, had been in
> touch
> >with Sai Baba for his health problems. Since the theosophical leaders in
> 1920s
> >announced Rajagopal as one of the Apostles of New World Teacher, and he was
> >considered perhaps as a high initiate, the connection between him and Sai
> Baba
> >is puzzling in the least.
> >
> >mkr


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