Theos-Talk Archives (March 1999 Message tt00337)

Mar 23

Dear Louis:

I DON'T KNOW, but, I can reason from what I have read and what I
intuit (?)

Consider what happened to "poor Brown" in Lahore when the camp
where he and Olcott were resting was visited in the night by the
Mahatma.  Brown sensed his presence, but was afraid to turn over
and see and talk to him.

I think we are all in that condition.

How is it possible to speak of things "spiritual" (IN THE TRUE,
NOT THE PSYCHIC SENSE) and expect them to materialize for our
personal benefit?

I know this is not a concrete answer.  None can be given.

So rely on your study of theosophy, its coherence, and your own
intuition.

And that's all I can think of by myself and for myself - so I
pass it on to you to consider.

If you have a copy of LETTERS THAT HAVE HELPED by Wm. Q. Judge
try reading letters 8 9 10 11 and 13.  I think there is enough
there to satisfy our imagination if not to verify our intuitions.
What more can be said ?

Dal

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Subject:	Re: Theos-World Who was HPB reffering to?

In a message dated 3/20/99 2:44:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Louis writes:

<<  Blavatsky-net, the HPB quote of the day was:

 <<Quote of the Day (for Mar 19):

 The same will be said [is a forgery , etc.] of the Secret
Archaic
 Doctrine, when
 proofs are given of its undeniable existence and records. But it
 will take
 centuries [from 1888] before much more is given from it. ... In
 Century the
 Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far better fitted,
may
 be sent by
 the Masters of Wisdom to give final and irrefutable proofs that
 there exists a
 Science called Gupta-Vidya [secret, esoteric knowledge]; and
that
 like the
 once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the source of all religions
 and
 philosophies now known to the world has been for many ages
 forgotten and lost
 to men, but is at last found. -- Secret Doctrine Vol I intro
page
 xxxviii. By
 Helena Blavatsky.>>

 Now that we have come to the end of it, who do we "century
 twenty"
 theosophists, think this disciple was or is. Or, is the emphasis
 still on "MAY
 COME."

 Louis
  >>


<<Mar 20th Dallas replies:


Dear Friend Louis, etc.:
Dallas says:
Hopefully this will never be announced.  It is something that
will be sensed by those who have made themselves "ready."

Those who are curious will search and probe, and as was done in
the very early days after HPB's death, the speculators may take
advantage of any prominence, or they may try to create one.
Personally, I think it is a part of the "testing" process,
whereby the motives of students are revealed TO THEMSELVES.
Theosophy, esotericism, occultism are all common-sense matters.
But seeking to grasp them fully with the hints and information
given, encourages the growth of our minds and their innate
powers.>>

Dallas,
Thank you for your quick feedback. As usual I find it thoughtful
and well
stated. I do not however, in this particular case accept your
explanation as
fully as others you have offered in the past.  I have heard this
sort of
answer in various forms from many theosophists over the years.
Dallas, I do
not mean any disrespect, however, I have found that, when a vague
or evasive
answer is given to a direct question, the real answer is "I don't
know" or
"I'm not saying."

LOUIS	I DON'T THINK ANYONE WHO IS EITHER KNOWLEDGEABLE OR HOPEFUL
CAN CONVEY IN ANY WAY WHAT THEIR INTUITIONS MAY BE.  If there is
any heart quality at all resident in the experience of an
individual it could only be very vaguely conveyed to another.  If
there is any REALITY it can only be to the individual for
himself.

Please do not think that I am being sarcastic when I say:

As far as I know there are no TANGIBLE proofs to be offered.

If someone came up to you and said "I AM A MAHATMA and I come
BECAUSE YOU INVOKED ME."  Would you believe?  What tests or
proofs could you employ ?

AND, WHAT TRUE MAHATMA HAS THE TIME TO DEVOTE TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S
DESIRE ?

Is anything you or I might want personally in the way of proof
going to change the nature of the world's progress.  I think it
is for this reason that it is written:  First deserve, then
desire.  - But who or what determines the level of our
"deserving."  I you carefully read the pages of MAHATMA LETTERS
you will see depicted there all levels of interest and desire and
the responses that they evoked.  The sum and substance is either
to drive the aspirant to despair of ever "succeeding;" or of
developing the monumental patience that is the lot of an immortal
being waling the many paths of existence and using many bodies,
but always holding in his heart the hope of achieving a level
where the SPIRITUAL will become an object of his mental
perception.  HPB has described the ways and disciplines needed in
her articles that deal with occultism.

"Those who "say" don't know.  Those who "know" don't say."  A
very old axiom.

HPBs with visible psychic control over the lower forces of nature
do not occur daily that we can contact them.  And She was doubted
and persecuted.

Why should anyone come forward for me or for you and offer
themselves to our skepticism ?

Don't you see the way you phrase your question presents an
insurmountable barrier.

"When the disciple is READY, the Teacher will be found to be
ready also."

What do these cryptic statements mean ?  Not conundrums to drive
us crazy, but to enable us to transfer our thinking from this
material plane of effects to the immaterial .  And that is truly
terra incognita for most of us.



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The reason that I am bewildered by this subject, along with the
last 25 years
of a century scenario, is that, as theosophists, we are asked to
satisfy
ourselves as to the existence of the great ones, and their
involvement with
the theosophical philosophy as it has come down to us through
HPB. Now we have
in the above quote, HPB herself saying, more will be forthcoming
by one of
these remarkable beings in the 20th Century.

This narrows the possibilities to a precious few. Either HPB had
it wrong, or
was toying with posterity. Or, the conditions during the last
hundred years of
our spiritual development did not warrant such a visit. Or,
perhaps, more
sadly yet, one HAS been and we knew him not!

DALLAS :  offers the thoughts

AND THAT IS QUITE POSSIBLE.  See for instance the chapter in THE
BROTHERS KARAMAZOV called THE GRAND INQUISITOR.  - Dostoevsky -
Jesus returns to Seville during an Auto da Fe" - you can guess
the rest.

Now I am not going to worry if we missed the boat and did or did
not enjoy the presence (known or unknown) of one of the GREAT
ONES.  It is better to consider that They and HPB are around us
all the time, invisibly, and that when we lend our shoulder to
the Theosophical "wheel" we invoke their silent but potent
blessing on our efforts.

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How many on these lists are
familiar enough with other contemporary theosophical systems to
say with
certainty that another installment of the ancient wisdom is not
now amongst
us.


IF IT IS IT WILL DOVETAIL WITH THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE AND NOT WITH
ANYONE'S IMAGINATION OR FANCY.  IT WILL POINT TO THE CONTINUATION
OF THE WORK OF THE MOVEMENT AND NOT TO SOME DEAD-END.  FOR THIS
TO BE USED WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT WHICH WAS ALREADY MADE AVAILABLE.
IF WE DO NOT KNOW, THEN INDEED WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
"RECOGNIZE."  We create or demolish our own "barriers" all the
time.



A final thought. For those of us who have a deep intuitional
resonance with
our own  theosophy, a certain lightness of being, as we come near
to the
majestic vistas revealed in HPb's legacy. It seems natural, to
expect the same ongoing evolutionary unfoldment that is part of
the cosmos itself. I for one would be very surprised if her more
than ample hint, had not been filled. That would leave the
oversight as usual, once again, on us.


DEAR LOUIS  -- YOU ARE THINKING AND SAYING THIS AS I MIGHT TO
MYSELF.  WE HAVE BOTH BEEN ON THE SAME PATH - SO LET US TAKE
COMFORT THAT "ALL IS PROVIDED FOR."  We need only TRY and DO OUR
BEST.

And that is all I can think of saying

D.


Louis

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