Theos-Talk Archives (February 1999 Message tt00134)

Doss,
last October I was informed by a Pasadena official of the high occult status
of James Long and of the well doings of his actions against the old Point
Loma members. Since then I am searching for truth about the the break up
crisis of 1946-1951 at Covina and Pasadena.
Perhaps it is verboten, but I do. My hope is that both sides now will
attempt to open their archives and tell the Theosophists the truth and not
only the same old biased tales. I found that Conger appointed in 1946 Mr.
Hartley as his successor and that James Long, who wanted the post for
himself, tried to hypnotise Mr. Hartley, but he was able to withstand the
attacks. Later a meeting was held, joined by both. Hartley was in attempt to
tell why Conger appointed him as his successor and show the members a
document, but Long jumped up from his chair and began to hit Hartley.
Hartley declared that thi Cabinet meeting was not regular, they were only a
working group with no legal power.
The next day they met again (without Hartley and his staff) and Long
suddenly said: The new leader has taken office! So he was accepted as the
new leader of Pasadena TS in 1951! Hartley called a Cabinet of its own and
remained the conter-papal. History really repeats itsself.
Today there are younger generations of theos. students and I think they have
all the right to now what has happened.
Would be a good thing when BOTH SIDES would show all their documents so that
each one can come to his/her OWn conclusions. Would be a good thing too, if
the Point Loma side would decide to present the tape memories of Elsie
Benjamin (secr. of GdeP) about that crisis and what GdeP foretold about
that.

Frank


-----Original Message-----
From: M K Ramadoss <ramadoss@eden.com>
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Pasadena Secret ES?


>At 10:30 PM 2/24/1999 +0100, you wrote:
>>For those on the list who email me privately wondering if I attempt to
hurt
>>any persons or organizations I may point out that I am searching for
truth.
>>In the past I was critical too to other TS'ies as well and would have this
>>questions as well if the matter would have been belong to any other
>>organization. The motto runs not: There is no religion higher than the TS
>>XXX" but "..than truth". That's all. Hope that helps to clarify my
position
>>as a theosophical student with interest in historical details. And my
lesson
>>was not to believe any labelings or namings, but to look was is behind it.
>>An analogy may: Today some countries have the word "democratic" in their
>>country names, but often they are far less democratic than other
countries.
>>
>>Frank
>
>Well said Frank. Each organizations has to stand on its own and when
>questions arise, they should be answered in a logical and reasonable
>manner. Anyone searching for truth need not be afraid of more light
>especially in the present internet environment. But more often the general
>trend seems to be that the "officials" instead of participating and
>providing information they avoid internet discussion forums such as this. I
>think much of it has to do with the ignorance or fix they are in as they do
>not know how to deal with. Just the other day I read about a report how the
>"hate" groups are now able to reach millions of potential candidates
>through Internet. If they can do it, the "Truth" groups should also be able
>to do it and the potential is enormous.
>
>mkr
>
>
>
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