Theos-Talk Archives (January 1999 Message tt00180)

In a message dated 1/14/99 10:07:52 PM, bartl@sprynet.com writes:

>LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:
>
>> >       No more than Theosophy was. Hitler was an equal opportunity idea
>> >twister, and a lot of people were fooled by the early Nazi party.
>>
>> That's a new twist.  Are you saying that Theosophy supplied the
justification
>> for Hitler's and the Nazi's genocide?  Where did you get that from?  Or,
are
>> you also in the same group of propagandists as the other Crowley lovers,
>>black magic justifiers, and HPB detractors?
>
>	Hitler took concepts from many occult groups, and twisted them based on
>his concept of the Germanic peoples being the only true humans, and the
>others of what we term "humanity" are really subhumans, similar to the
>apes. He twisted noble ideas into horrible and evil mockeries of the
>originals. Theosophy was one of the sources of those ideas, as was the
>OTO.

Mostly true. . . But, I wonder why Hitler arrested and imprisoned or killed
all members of the TS, and left all the O.T.O. and GD people alone.  Theosophy
as a philosophy of Universal Brotherhood and Divine Wisdom could not have been
the source of any of Hitler's ideas--although the S.D. itself might have been,
since it discussed racial evolution, ancient magic, and their symbology.  But,
that was all known since ancient times by the members of the GD, its O.T.O.
and A.'.A.'. spin offs, and its precursor magical societies--who were Hitler's
philosophers, instructors and SS associates.  Theosophy, per se, has no
relationship to any of that, by implication or otherwise.

>> "Universal Brotherhood" and pure "altruism" in word and deed. . .  Just
>>the opposite of what both Hitler and Crowley preached.
>
>	There were a number of early Nazi supporters in the Theosophical
>Society, until the Nazi's showed their true colors.

Yes.  But I wonder why they didn't know "their true colors" right from the
beginning since Hitler laid them out thoroughly in Mein Kampf long before he
took over Germany as Chancellor.  The same might be said for any GD, O.T.O or
A.'.A.'. members or followers of Crowley who claim to be theosophists, while
also defending or apologizing for black magic practices or non-altruistic
ideologies

>> Besides, how could the "V" sign be a substitute for the swastika?
>
>	I didn't say a substitute; I said it was to COUNTERACT the swastika as
>a symbol.

But I said the "V" was a "sign" not a symbol.  The swastika as used by Hitler
was a "symbol" of the NAZI party (NSDAP)--and was pictured as a black, "left
turning" (sinester) swastika representing the "magical" power of "Thor's
Hammer", on a circular white field representing racial purity, over a red
background, representing the blood oath to eliminate, by death, all enemies of
National Socialism as well as all "inferior" races--(as Hitler outlined such
aims in his book, Mein Kampf).  But as I said, the "V" was a signification of
Victory, and used solely as a direct inspirational "sign" in speeches and
personal greetings. . .  And, as such, it could not be a "symbol" of anything
as specific as, nor could it have been designed to "counteract", Hitler's use
of the Nazi swastika symbol which was designed to represent the criminal
ideology of his ruling party.

LHM