Theos-Talk Archives (December 1998 Message tt00033)

Dallas,

In a message dated 12/1/98 2:18:40 PM, you wrote:

>I believe it is absolutely proper for Jerry S to vent his
>opinions.

Yes. . . But only so long as they are stated as "opinions", and not as facts.
But, I'd rather he did that somewhere else rather than offer such "side
issues" to theosophists who have no need of "opinions" to further their
studies and practices of theosophy--or to confuse new students who need all
the help they can get from those at a higher level of understanding of the
fundamental truths of theosophy.

>He has developed his own system of beliefs.  And he will have to
>live with them for as long as he wants to.  The theosophical
>views of HPB or the Masters as written for all to read may not
>change his mind-set, and neither you nor I can do that either.

But, HPB said it was possible for us to "change the minds of the race".  (In
fact, she told us in no uncertain terms--that was our mandate).  This also
means, as Socrates has shown, the minds of each individual--and, thereby, aid
them in substituting fundamental principles for their false beliefs.  All that
takes is thoughtful and logical presentation of theosophical ideas (sometimes
using the "Socratic method") that confirms the teachings and allows the
listener to recognize his/her own contradictions and, thereby, substitute for
their false "beliefs" the incontrovertible truths of theosophy.

>WE can only present readers with the fruits of our own study, and
>then let them decide what is reasonable.

Yes. . .  But, it would be more effective if each of us presented such ideas
in our own words, with proper reference to subordinate scientific truths that
confirm them, rather than quoting "authorities" like HPB--who never claimed
that she was presenting anything more than "theories" and "hypotheses" (for
our "consideration"). . .  And then, in her own words, attempted to show their
reasonableness by reference to corroborative sciences and philosophies so that
her students could consider and apply such gained knowledge by their own "self
devised and self determined methods".  As Krishna said, "Let the motive for
action be in the action itself, and not in its "fruits".  .

>Personally, I do not think that "strong words" or "barnyard and
>farmer's language" ever proved anything.

You are right.  And, if in my haste, I am guilty of such "barnyard and
farmers" language, I apologize.  (However, I don't think I have been--and that
you are actually referring to my opponent--although I was brought up on a farm
and hung out in the barn.;-).  In any event, if my language was "strong", it
was because I was speaking for HPB and WQJ, and as they would have spoken in
the same circumstances (knowing what I know about "modern" and "post modern"
science and its relationship to the theosophy they Knew so well, and taught
us).  They, too, had no time to waste on "side issues".

>They detract from the mind making its way, painfully, at times,
>to those certainties which all may grasp.  Each makes his own
>"Path."

>That is the way the Buddha taught, Moderation in everything.

But, then, I don't think that HPB's single minded compulsion and use of her
powers to present theosophy to the entire world was, in any way, moderate.
You might check with the writings of some of her students, about how she
"strongly reprimanded the ones she called, "dumb heads" and "boobs' (among
other "farmer's" pejoratives :-).

>It is the philosophy and the facts of Science that have validity.
If those are presented any reasonable person will employ them.

Yes. . . As I said previously--presented *properly* as--(if we insist on
following the "Buddhist" ways)--the argumentative Gelugpa "Geshe" debators
way, rather that than resting on the "authority" of HPB, W.Q.J., or their
"Gelugpa" teachers. . . (And, NOT as the "Red Cap" Tantrist's tamasic way of
following the self-serving "gospels" of their blindly believed "authorities")

Did you know that the Tantra (psychic) sexual practice, which has been babbled
about lately on this forum--having, incidentally nothing to do with the
"spiritual"  teachings of theosophy, and, in fact, is the opposite of it--was
originally designed and taught to the Tibetan people by the inner circle of
the Buddhist elite (Lama sect leaders) so that they could join the forces of
multiple concentrations of "consciousness" with the energies of "Kundalini",
and, thereby, insure their own instantaneous rebirth (reincarnation) at the
moment of "conception" of the one couple (out of the thousands of slavish,
sexual Tantra practicing couples throughout the land) who "release" their
"three restraints" at the exact moment of the Lama's death?  That's why,
incidentally, the female partner is spoken of as the "seal", and treated as if
she were a "tool" by both the Buddhist and Hindu Tantric teachers, who are all
males.  In line with this, one of the bases of the "mystical" practices of
Hitler's, Himmler's and Hiedrich's SS (Shutz Staffel) was the Tantric
teachings of the "Red Cap" Tibetan "Dugpas"--around 200 of whom were found to
have committed suicide in Berlin at about the same time as Hitler when the
American Army arrived in 1945.  (I know this for a fact, because I was nearby
at the time, and viewed and heard the photographs and verbal reports in my
Army Intelligence and Air/Signal Corps capacity as an "historical
photographer" and "tactical telephone network supervisor")  Anyone who brings
these teachings into discussions of theosophy, would have to be "enemies" of
theosophy, as Hitler and his crew were.  I, for one, will continue to blow
their beliefs apart as best I know how whenever they rear their ugly head in
our school.

So, now, don't you think we should drop all these "side issues" of exoteric
priest-crafty "Buddhist" talk and teachings, and get back to discussing the
fundamental truths of theosophy and the methods of practicing the "three
objects of the theosophical movement"?  (Both HPB and WQJ, who must be "alive"
and watching their work-in-progress today--whether as reincarnates or "walk
ins"--would, I'm sure, be extremely grateful to those convinced students who
intelligently follow their leads.)

>Best wishes,  I enjoy your valued input.

Thank you.  And I hope you all will take such input to heart and get on with
the true work of theosophists.

Best wishes,
that all our karma may be resolved to each one's satisfaction (Self
Realization) and the reaching of further "terraces of enlightenment".

LHM