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8 on the Richtay Scale

Nov 12, 1998 06:51 PM
by Darren Porter


I saved this one till last:

Richtay wrote:
>HPB does not say that we currently have five keys and two more are on the
way.
>Perhaps you are confused about her writing that we have experienced five Root
>Races, and two more are on the way.  Perhaps you have confused HPB's writings
>with those of Alice Bailey.  In either case, I challenge you to find a quote
>from HPB's writing backing up your assertion that she said we currently
>possess five keys to anything.

Yes sorry my mistake. I meant that we have five principles or senses and
that 2 more are to be incorporated although they exist in a currently
latent state. I've never read any Alice Bailey -Is she interesting? BTW
 Page 87 Vol 1 of the SD mentions the SEVEN senses as such (and I quote) -
Thus these seven (sense, smell and taste, and colour and sound, etc etc)"

Why the etc etc? What are the other two senses? I have some personal ideas
- One is a sense that many males seem to have - Magnetic sense (I seem to
be able to find locations but my wife cannot) - the other is female and can
be associated with direct perception or intuition. Am I on the right track?
Birds also have the magnetic sense - the blood in their brain tells them
which way is north because of it's iron content.


>But Darren, who's ignoring you?  I read your posts.  There's generally just
>very little to respond to.  As another of the allegedly "very very few" young
>Theosophists (i.e., joined when I was 17, I'm still under 30), I question
your
>right to speak for "our generation."  Your choice of path has little to do
>with age.  I too have lived in India, studied under amazing teachers.  Many
>people on this list have.  So what?

I would just like to tak ethis oppurtunity to thank you for writing in
respnse to me. My self esteem was almost shattered but now i'm almost
jubilant. You say 'allegedly' - but apart from you I've never met another
under thirty, perhaps it's just my lodge. i would like to see some
deomographics of this list if we could do an an anonymous survey. Women?
hello are you out there?
As for speaking for "our generation", i'm sure the people on this list are
intelligent enough to know that nobody can speak for any group and that all
views are subjective. i may be representing a group of like minded
individuals when i speak but at least i'm trying to get in the good books
of the hierarchies as you seem to be doing.
I made no point of studying in India nor did I imply that I had anymore
knowledge than anybody else - the simple fact , and you might need to read
it a couple of times to let it get past the layers of conditioning, i
pointed out was that most if not all true holy men use drugs. Albeit
naturally occuring drugs and not synthetic ones.
I suppose you think cannabis is evil?

>Sex, drugs, magic, all that stuff is fine.  By all means, spend yourself in
>psychism and imagine that you are in prajna/dhyana/samadhi/satori/sat-chit-
>ananda (they're all the same, right???).

Well no - i would classify all states of consciousness firstly under one of
two categories. The timbound and the timeless. Any state that involves a
sequence of events such as thought processes or sensory perception is
inhernely timebound - just as hallucinations and astral travelling are - as
well as the after death bardo states. Behind all of these states lies the
single timeless thoughtless senseless state - the void . there are many
names for this state but they all mean the same thing. the only difference
among them is the pre and post state conditions.

>  Yours is an age old path, well-
>trodden, and Aleister Crowley is an extraordinarily good teacher of it--read
>up on him, he has much to offer on the psychic path and the fruits thereof.
>But why blow the trumpet like we're all missing something?  Do you think none
>of us have read and participated in Masonry, Eleusinian Mysteries,
Gnosticism,
>Kabbala, Tantra?  Do you think the Sages of history, who truly have had the
>best interests of humanity at heart, would have failed to share a quick, easy
>path with the multitudes (or even with the few) if it existed?  I can't
>imagine a Sage like Gautama Buddha or Lao-tsu failing to offer a simple,
drug-
>induced solution to stem the overwhelming tide of human suffering.

It's also an illegal path in almost every country. that is my crusade. No
path should be taken from a seeker by an outside body that determines what
is best for the individual. And yes i do think that most of the people on
this list have not participated in acts such as Tantra. I also beleive they
did share a quick and easy path but most of us just ignore it out of plain
stupidity and pig-headedness. Guatama Siddartha ate nothing but Cannabis
for the 6 days prior to his enlightenement. the Rig Veda has whole stanzas
on the preparation and consumption of Soma (which in its most common form
is Magic Mushrooms - Psyilocybin Cubensis). I TRULY HONESTLY BELEIVE that
the only way for this generation of humanity to progress or even survive is
for a mass transendence. This is just not going to happen if we expect
westerners to just meditate for an hour aday. One weekend spent in nature
with an experience guide and some peyote or DMT is enough to elevate the
most materialistacally (is that spelt right?) enterenched soul. It is the
misconceptions and deliberate lies by those in power that want to withhold
the sacred experience.

>Rather, the real Teachers have always taught the slow, quiet path, one that
>doesn't draw attention to itself, or promise quick results.  Paranormal
>experiences are, as you suggest, all too easy to come by.  And so what of
>them?  Does experiencing an extraordinary altered state of consciousness
>thereby make one eternally free from suffering and sadness?  Or, when you
come
>down, are you still bound hand and foot to the wheel of Becoming?

Each time is another step in becoming - no matter the form. And why must
you continue the up and down paradigm - there is no need to come down -
just elevate your baseline.
If every person on earth was to experience these states then yes it would
alleviate all suffering and sadness because  we would not treat each other
like we do if we know the fundamental truth of unity.

>Rather, I suspect your own diagnosis is correct: you're bored.

I never said i was bored - I said i was interested in NOVELTY - Novelty is
a theory pioneered by Terrence MckEnna and based on Mayan teachings and the
I Ching. The Tao begets the one the one begest the two and the two begets
the ten thousand forms.

>Another note: there's no drug-ingestion in the Esoteric Section.  Really.
>Join it and see, if you care to.

So they drink no tea or coffee? they eat no chocolote?

I wouldn't get accepted into the ES as i smoke Cannabis Sativa to prevent
Migraines (this i also learnt in India from an Ayurvedic doctor - Marijuana
is the single most used medicine in the Ayurveda). And anyway what can the
ES teach that can't be found in a book - Or are they a true iniatory
mystery school with a Death rite?

And just by the by - Every citizen in America is currently breaking the law
and can serve jail time. Why? The US government made it illegal to possess
5-meo-dimethytryptamine (DMT) which every human has as a naturally occuring
substance in the brain. It is a serotonin/melatonin orecursor and as such
has close connection to the pineal gland/third eye. So it's illegal to
increase your own DMT levels - why? I suggest you look into it - you might
even learen something.

Kindest Regards,

Darren






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