Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00169)

Some personal responses to Frank:


>I trust in karman. Otherwise karman would be unjust.

Just and unjust exist only in your own mind. Why are you using
G de P's outdated use of the final n?

>We have no grace in theosophy.

Speak for yourself. I have found grace in it.


>There is no escape from that what we have done.

I guess you never heard of jivamukti and jivamukta.
What do you think the term "liberation" means?
What do you think "karmaless" means?
You may like the idea of incarnating forever, but I don't.


> Every sage taught this.

Where do you get this crap? Have you read the works of every sage
throughout history? I don't think so.


> When (sic) must pay back every penny.

This is a callous, brutal, and vicious doctrine that I abhor. It
turns off a lot of good people, and rightly so. Your notion of
karma is equivalent to hell for me. I don't buy it. God is Love.
Where in the hell is forgiveness in your wild interpretation
of Theosophy?


> Do you really think you can to bad things, have bad thoughts
>and bad motivations and next life you are starting
>in better circumstances with good motives and good thoughts. Never.

How do you know? Do you remember your past lives?
I am sorry to be plain rude here, Frank, but you are worse than
a fundamentalist Christian missionary crusading for repentance
with threats of eternal damnation. I left Chrisitianity years ago for
a kinder and gentler doctrine. You obviously have not. When I was
a child, a believed that God wrote down all my sins and merits
in a book to keep records so that he could properly judge me when
I died. I outgrew that childish idea. You have not, but merely changed
the names around. I am not impressed by your threats, any more than
I am impressed by those of Christian missionaries. Moses taught
an eye for an eye. Jesus taught forgiveness. I side with Jesus.


> Then the
>cosmos would be nothing else than a great joke or parody.

Well, actually the great Zen master, D T Zazuki once called
it the Ultimate Joke. I believe that the cosmos is our expression,
our creation, and our chance for adventure. Nothing more.


>You can only start
>were you have ended. Every theosophical teacher said this. It is not only
>most logically but gives us also hope.

A treadmill going on endlessly is not my idea of hope.
Where you start and end, my Theosophical friend, is anywhere you
think you start and end. Nothing is good or bad, but thinking
makes it so (Shakespeare was a real theosophist).

Jerry S.

Sorry to be rude, and harsh. Nothing at all personal, but I have to
call em as I sees em. I can love you, Frank, while hating your
ideas. I left Christianity for Theosophy because I thought it
taught love and compassion. You seem to have a very
Christian fundamentalist approach to Theosophy, that I for one
cannot abide. Your eye-for-an-eye approach is not how I
see Theosophy, nor how I see reincarnation and karma.
If you are right, then God help us all.