Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00073)

>> Another problem with Theosophical History is that the REAL
>>THEOSOPHICAL HISTORY is still unwritten and can NEVER be written down in a
>>physical book as the insight must come from within as opposed to
scientific
>>standards which overtones the outside, the world of maya.
>
>OK, but I was talking about the history of the modern theosophical
>movement started by HPB and a few others, which *should* be
>historically possible to discuss, but isn't.


I was talking about that, too. One can desrcribe what HPB or Judge did in
the physical world. But perhaps this was the minor part of their task?
Perhaps they did the more on other plans? Which historian will consider and
desribe this? Only an equal can detect the equal. This historian then must
be some kind of avatara to recognize full who and what HPB and others
were.But - is this realistic? I think we are too blind.


>>One cannot describe the infinite with the messure of the finite. And Judge
knew very
>>more than he wrote down or spoke publicly.
>
>I wonder. I am sure that HPB did. I am unconvinced about anyone else.


Dara Eklund spent many years to collect Judge's writing. They are available
in three vol. (+Index) as "Echoes of the Orient" published by Point Loma
Pubc., San Diego. Judge was the only one in the E.S. of whom HPB required no
pledge because of this high occult standing.

>
>>Real theosophy begins where the
>>present science ends
>
>I am not sure what you mean here. Certainly the spirit or what I like
>to call the theosophical current cannot be put into words very well
>and discussed. But the SD is largely historical, and should be
>capable of being scientifically demonstrated (actually, some of
>it already has been).
>
>Jerry S.


Dear Jerry, I try to clarify this point with a few words: For me Theosophy
is living the higher life, that means to live the life in such a way HPB's
"Voice" describes in detail. That is atma-buddhi-higher manas. Present
Western science is almost limited to (lower) manas, the world of
speculation, meanings, differences - the reason why they have to change
their theories every five years. And the SD has much in store what belongs
to the higher life. It is be said that HPB brought teachings for the next
2,000 years. Considering this one can assume that the SD (and other works)
has much what is still to be discovered. Some of the hidden hints of the SD
are given by Judge, other hints actually are given by Tony in this list. I
tried to highlighten the differences in methods, the one the occult,
Platonic and deductive way (which Dallas follows) and the other the
scientific, Aristotelic and inductive way (which Paul follows). One must
consider this to prevent further fruitless troubles.

Frank