Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00012)

>Jerry,I like what you've said because it means I'm an Adept!!! Wow! Cool
>does this mean I get a special members card .

In a very real sense, we are all Adepts, even Buddhas. Most of us just
don't know it yet  :-)


> But seriously for a moment,
>In the latent empty state there must be a noumena that causes exit from the
>state or re-entry into to the time-bound state of existence. Vriti in
>Chetna I beleive the sanskrit is. Otherwise the universe could not have
>initiated.

Yes. I agree. What this mysterious Cause is, depends on the school
teaching this sort of thing. Personally, I like the idea that the Monad
is inherently self-creative and brings on manifestation all by itself
out of its desire to self-manifest.


>If any one consciousness can achieve liberation then why are we
>still all doing this existence stuff. Mark Kusek brought all this up
>earlier with some excellent questions on Buddhism but I don't beleive he
>got too many satisfactory answers.
>

Yes, any one consciousness can be liberated or enlightened. And
we will each do this when we think we are ready for it (there is no
one holding a gun to my head saying "stay here in ignorance and
don't get enlightened.")  Its rather like waking up in the morning.
Some days we wake easily, but other days we prefer to lie in bed
and dream a little longer. There is no alarm clock (unless we take
the Bodhisattvic Vow seriously) and no real hurry.


>My situation is this - I had a DE as opposed to an NDE, my consciousness
>evaporated to nothing and I entered a void state.

I have had this too. Actually, I am convinced that "void" is just our way of
describing it later.  We are always conscious of something, even if only
of peace. A technical point: because you came back, the silver cord or
"psychomagnetic link" as G de P calls it, was not broken and you did
not die. It is always, if one returns to life, a NDE, albeit a very deep
one.
I say "technical" here because I had a NDE too, and have heard from
many others who also had this. There is little doubt in my mind that a
real NDE is the same as actually dying and coming back.


>Then something and I
>don't know what caused a faint emergence of consciousness again and I
>rapidly spiralled back out of the state to find myself in an Out of Body
>experience.

I think that this happens when the coma-like state ends. In general, the
void
or coma takes place on the causal plane (dreamless sleep) and the waking
up or emerging is when consciousness descends to the mental or astral
planes (plane of dreams).


> Because I didn't have the necessary spiritual framework at the
>time (it was a couple of years ago) I was basically suffereing
>schizophrenia for the next few days. Thankfully I had the Tibetan book of
>the dead to read and managed to heal myself completely (except for my
>recurring delusions of granduer from having made yogic error and personally
>associating this personality with the infinite).
>

You touch here on an important issue that I have tried to make for some
years. It is absolutely essential for us human beings to have some kind
of mental framework or worldview that will explain these kinds of
experiences when they occur, else we think we're crazy and insanity
becomes a real possibility. The human mind needs explanations of what
it experiences. I have found that Theosophy gives me such a framework.
But other good frameworks are available too (and Tibetan Buddhism
is certainly one of these).


>This existence is analog , but beneath every moment is the digital. I also
>would now consider myself a Nirmanakaya from definition given previously -
>I returned from Nirvana because of my family.
>
>Darren


Technically your return indicates the bodhisattva. The nirmanakaya, as
defined by HPB (not any Buddhism that I know of) stays in the inner
planes to help telepathically or in dreams. This indicates a natural
spirituality. I think I returned for the same reason, but I felt like I was
being "sent" back by forces far greater than my own and that I had
little choice over the matter.

Jerry S.