Theos-Talk Archives (September 1998 Message tt00226)

Sept 17th 1998

Dear Eldon:

Thanks for the suggestion.

The difference as I understand it between "Spiritual" and
"Psychic" experience, vision, etc... lies in motive as we
generate the desire for those, and try from this plane of
perception where the Lower Manas is and acts [ as a "reflection,"
as a "ray" of the Higher  Manas thrown down on that material set
of SKANDAIC receptors (this 4th Globe matter - SD I 200 -- that
have become attuned to such a contact.

What I am trying to say is that we, as a Monadic center that is
striving to universalize itself, employs imagination and will to
try to contact those areas of the universal Akasic record where
(either internally, or from those universal records) we can
experience the information recorded there, and so, to say, we
become participants and spectators of those.

At the moment our consciousness, when we are "awake," is usually
focussed and active on this "material plane."

WE fall "asleep."  How ?  That is not yet under our usual
control.  What follows?  For many a period of unconsciousness.
Things happen involuntarily as HPB describes them in TRANSACTIONS
(pp. 66-76).

For those who gain control of their CONSCIOUSNESS as a tool, it
is voluntarily transferred, usually, first to the psychic
personal plane, and after that to the spiritual plane, (where it
no longer is tied to the limits of the "personality" (now asleep
and unconscious), --to the spiritual plane of the Higher Manas
linked to Atma and Buddhi (the HIGHER SELF).  Or so HPB describes
it in TRANSACTIONS and the KEY.

"The One Consciousness pierces up and down the seven planes of
being and serves to unite the memory of the experiences on each
plane."

I would say that "Psychic" is characterized sire and passion and
relates to the selfish embodied interests generated by a being
that finds itself encased in a human form and under the influence
of illusion and delusion into thinking that it has only one life
to live.  Being intensely self-centered it is by nature selfish
and vicious - although that is a very strong term to use - but
true, if we meditate on the actual objectives or motives we
consider before we act in this body, here and now.

If we succeed on this plane of counteracting this tendency we
purify and spiritualize ourselves.  Hence the idea of
self-examination and self-refinement.  But this cannot be
considered unless we apprehend the concept of being at core an
immortal, a spiritual Monad, a TRIAD of Atma-Buddhi-Manas in
incarnation and using the Lower Manas of a highly refined Form as
a basis for living and contacting our surroundings.

In considering this I used as reference :  SD 1 247,   SD II 79,
167, 241-4, 246, 671

"Spiritual" on the other hand, is to be characterized by a
profound conviction and sense of immortality, and of
universality.  Hence it is noble, virtuous, and generous,
brotherly as one would express the motive in that state and
condition.

Motive is the key.

Is not the "Psychic" and the "Spiritual" well defined by HPB in
the KEY ?

Come again if I have not expressed this clearly,

Dal.

> From: Eldon B Tucker
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 16, 1998 2:23 PM
> Subject: spiritual versus psychical experiences

Jerry:
[writing to Dallas]
I'd put it differently.

>> DALLAS: How can one determine the difference between a
>>"spiritual" and a "psychic" experience ?
>>
>> I think this is important as it is difficult to do.  Are any
>>criteria given ?  Do you have any references I can use ?
>
>All the difference in the world. When you have a spiritual
(formless)
>experience, you will know it, and then you can judge it against
>psychic (with form) experiences yourself.

As I see it ...

Spiritual experiences are exemplified by increased sentience,
awareness, luminosity of consciousness, understanding and
appreciation of what is before one in life.

Psychic experiences are exemplified by increased sensory
perception, of image, color, form, shape, touch, taste, etc.
of this or some other plane.

It's possible to have heightened spiritual consciousness, like
in Zazen, with restricted sensory inputs, or heightened
psychical awareness of astral or higher-plane imagery with
little or no heightened consciousness, like in mediumship.

-- Eldon
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